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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#26: Feb 2nd 2012 at 12:35:17 PM

The thing is the trope applies to the main character, and Dr. Frankenstein is the main character, which means the trope doesn't quite apply here. What does apply is I Am Not The Main Character more than My Name Is Not The Title Of The Show (which is a rename suggestion I'm giving for this).

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Heatth from Brasil Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#27: Feb 2nd 2012 at 12:41:49 PM

[up][up]Then the same is true for Shazan, isn't it? The proposal of the rename came only because Captain Marvel changed his name to fit the title of his book... but the Monster had done so multiple times already. They are in the same boat. It makes no sense to change one for another.

Jicragg Since: Jun, 2010
#28: Feb 2nd 2012 at 1:03:12 PM

Or you could go for something like "I Am Not The Title Character". Dull but that's what the trope appears to come down to- or something similar if people want to avoid trope namers.

Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
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#29: Feb 2nd 2012 at 1:04:31 PM

I already said I'm fine with either one. I was just making the point that Frankenstein is certainly a valid example of the trope. He's also more iconic.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#30: Feb 2nd 2012 at 1:05:37 PM

Or Main Character Mistaken For Title Character. And Frankenstein's monster would still not apply, and I think I might make a YKTTW for mistaking someone for the main character.

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#31: Feb 2nd 2012 at 1:23:20 PM

That's true: thinking Captain Marvel's name is Shazam is an Audience Reaction; the Frankenstein mistake is made by works too.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#32: Feb 2nd 2012 at 1:31:00 PM

[up]It's also not this trope because there actually is a main character who is the title character.

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#33: Feb 2nd 2012 at 1:32:03 PM

If Frankenstein is not this trope then 2/3 of the Literature page contents should be deleted.

I thought the main/title character thing doesn't matter. Description: "A form of unintentional Title Confusion that occurs when a story's Naming Conventions confuse the audience about what the characters' names are, or who certain titles refer to."

edited 2nd Feb '12 1:36:18 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#34: Feb 2nd 2012 at 1:54:37 PM

Is Doctor Frankenstein really the main character of Frankenstein?

The monster gets, like, 70 percent of the screen time.

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#35: Feb 2nd 2012 at 1:56:58 PM

Why does that question matter?

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#36: Feb 2nd 2012 at 1:59:03 PM

Because Dragon Quest Z is arguing that Frankenstein isn't an example because the title is the name of the main character?

But Dr. Frankenstein never seemed like the main character to me, so...

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Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
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#37: Feb 2nd 2012 at 2:00:34 PM

Yeah, and he's wrong because the monster is the main character, and because the trope page description doesn't require it to be a main character. It's a very minor distinction either way.

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dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
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#38: Feb 2nd 2012 at 2:10:22 PM

How's about Known By Another Characters Name? I think that even if you get the reference, the current name is somewhat confusing.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#39: Feb 2nd 2012 at 2:28:53 PM

"The monster gets, like, 70 percent of the screen time."

Screen time? Even in the movie, the Dr. got closer to that.

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SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#40: Feb 2nd 2012 at 2:34:48 PM

[up]You're stance on the main issue is still, overall, wrong, you know.

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#41: Feb 2nd 2012 at 2:46:41 PM

[up]That's not a response. That's just a claim. Tell me why I'm supposed to be wrong.

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SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#42: Feb 2nd 2012 at 2:57:08 PM

To parrot what others have told you already, the monster in the story Frankenstein is not named "Frankenstein", yet is frequently called that by mistake. It's an example.

edited 2nd Feb '12 2:57:32 PM by SeanMurrayI

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#43: Feb 2nd 2012 at 3:46:14 PM

"How's about Known By Another Characters Name?"

That isn't the trope. It is name confusion from the title, whether the title is a different character's name (e.g. Frankenstein) or isn't anybody's name at all (e.g. Shazam).

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#44: Feb 2nd 2012 at 4:00:34 PM

[up][up]Okay, if the trope doesn't require a main character, then he's an example.

Still shouldn't be the name, because a) the trope wold be character-named (same issue with the current name), and b) the monster is named that in other works.

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ThatHuman someone from someplace Since: Jun, 2010
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#45: Feb 2nd 2012 at 4:02:57 PM

ProtagonistIsNotTheTitleCharacter?

...too awkward?

edited 2nd Feb '12 4:04:41 PM by ThatHuman

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#46: Feb 2nd 2012 at 4:08:10 PM

I think Mistaken For Title Character works.

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Heatth from Brasil Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#47: Feb 2nd 2012 at 4:12:13 PM

Why do we need to rename this again? It is working fine as it is, isn't it?

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#48: Feb 2nd 2012 at 4:13:13 PM

Well a wick check would be a good idea. I'm busy on splitting the Indiana Jones page though.

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DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
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#49: Feb 2nd 2012 at 4:23:58 PM

I think the whole offical name change thing is a rather weak basis for a rename.

I do think that being character-named and dialouge-like is a strong basis.

From the trope page:

A form of unintentional Title Confusion that occurs when a story's Naming Conventions confuse the audience about what the characters' names are, or who certain titles refer to. Most frequently, people will assume that the title of the work is the name of the main character.
Being a main character isn't a requirement, just a very common occurrance.

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suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
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#50: Feb 2nd 2012 at 5:02:20 PM

There's no need for a rename. If anything, DC's decision highlights the trope even more.

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