All-Purpose Nasuverse Fanfiction Thread

Well, it would be nice if you could give us your thoughts on our ideas. Even "Boring." would be fine, if it's genuine and accompanied with at least one well-reasoned argument for why it is so.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

B-but... strange aeons...

Sorry, is that directed at me? I'm still sort of playing catchup on FGO stuff. Um, let's see... I'm generally in favor of modding Fate/Apocrypha's take on Jack the Ripper, if only to give the poor girl (?) more in the way of clothing. (I mean, seriously, Type/MOON? You couldn't have at least given her a frock coat and/or a top hat? You get that they're from Victorian England, right?) — Otherwise, I don't play the game, so I can't really comment on mechanics or anything...

Solid point. Maybe she still has sore feelings over that whole thing with her sister?

My other question is, why haven't we seen a Berserker version of Chulainn yet? Yeah, okay, looks like there's an Berserker Alter version of him in FGO that just seems like a palette-swapped Lancer... but in the original myths, he turned into a straight-on Hulk-style monster when he got angry! Through a process called a freaking warp spasm! I mean, just listen to this shit:

(A quote from a translation by Thomas Kinsella from the Cu Chulainn Other Wiki page.) I don't get it. How can Type/MOON pass up on using something that choice? Just... how?

edited 19th Mar '18 2:56:13 PM by philopoemen

Why does my mind keep insisting on shipping Marie Antoinette and Mordred? It's not like they commonly interact or anything. Though it seems to be coming from the same place that ships Squirrel Girl and Kamala Khan…

... because you like cute girls?

Edit: Can't say I buy it, though, sorry. I mostly see Doreen acting as a Cool Big Sis to Kamela more than anything.

edited 19th Mar '18 3:00:42 PM by philopoemen

Oh, wait, that's outdated, it's Squirrel Girl/Kamala Khan/Gwenpool now. Because Gurihiru art◊.

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Regarding Jack... it's worth keeping in mind that Jack is a mass of grudges from abandoned and/or aborted children. And she lived on the streets. One shouldn't exactly expect her to be dressing classy. Sure, what she does have is awkwardly skimpy, but I think what you're suggesting is more than a bit above the social class that lil' Jack was in (as much as the term "social class" can even apply to a street kid serial murdering grudge-complex).

And for Cu... we're told at some point that a normal Berserker Cu Chulainn exists, but one of the other Cu Chulainn iterations warns us about him... something like him being more trouble than he's worth, or something like that?

edited 20th Mar '18 2:18:06 AM by Tsuzurao

It could be something a simple as vanity. Ríastrad is described as him pretty much turning into an inhuman monster and while the Nasuverse version doesn't match the description of him in the Irish sources, both agree that he's a bit of a pretty boy.

Alternatively he is specifically noted to attack friend and foe alike so his Berserker version may simply be uncontrollable.

No, it looks like someone shrunk down Godzilla to human size, skinned it and stuck Cu inside.

edited 20th Mar '18 5:50:23 PM by SCMof2814

Are you talking about the Alter version's sea monster thing?

Regardless of your opinion of the last American election, we can all agree on one thing- The Chinese Communist Party can choke on scrotes!

Did you miss the point being made at some point? What you're showing is Berserker Cu Chulainn Alter, specifically a Cu Chulainn wished for by Medb on a Holy Grail.

What we're discussing is the (mentioned, but yet unseen) normal Berserker Cu Chulainn, as well as what his legend states he looked like when he's in a berserker frenzy.

Going by precedent set by Saber and Saber alter, Lancer and Lancer Alter, Jeanne and Jeanne Alter, and MHX and MHX Alter, the difference is about one star about half the time.

edited 20th Mar '18 6:07:02 PM by SCMof2814

No, it was directed at Rikalous. If it was at you, I'd have included to point at your post.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Ah, okay. It's been a while since I posted in this neck of the woods.

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Sure, I'd buy that. It's still kind of funny to think that Lancer might have been holding back the whole time in the canon fate/stay night routes.

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Sure, but I still would've expected Victorian mores to have had some impact on her. I mean, if we're going to look at it that way, here's what street children of that era dressed in:

• kind of look like ragged, dirty bedclothes◊
• again, kind of a robe/smock thingy?◊

But okay, granted, Type/MOON can take some (or lots) of artistic license. Still really wish they hadn't gone the route of putting the token loli in a Stripperific outfit for — well — many different reasons.

(Also, why they didn't call her special ability "From Hell" is beyond me. I know the Assassins are all supposed to be pushovers, but still...)

It occurs to me that Jack and New Anime Hakuno are the same kind of being. Except, of course, New Anime Hakuno is far less interesting.

Remember that Jack is the amalgmation of babies that were aborted by prostitutes. Logically speaking, she must have gone through different "sets" of rags so frequently that none of them could ever be considered iconic enough to be her outfit as a Servant, so my guess is that the Throne of Heroes decided to improvise by inventing an outfit based on the most important element(s) in her life history. Given that she was essentially born of prostitutes, all of her victims were prostitutes, and for all we know she too may have had to prostitute herself to the worst of scumbags in Victorian London's slums for one reason or the other in between her killings ^note do we have any idea how strong she actually was during her life?, it's fair to assume that the Throne of Heroes decided that prostitution is the "most important element" in Jack's life history, and thus her outfit should be "prostitute-like" in some fashion. That turned out as what we have now is, IMO, an indication that the Throne of Heroes has a kinda weird idea of what a "prostitute"-looking Heroic Spirit should look like, because I don't think even the sleaziest of real streetwalking prostitutes (as opposed to fictional ones in, say, hardcore porn comics and films) would wear a thong, stockings, a vest, and gloves while self-prostituting.

edited 21st Mar '18 5:19:34 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Maybe the cloak she loses on her first ascension is are her clothes, and the rest is underwear. It would explain SO much...

As it raises the question of "why is she not wearing her damn clothes in most of her appearances," I don't think that provides a net decrease in unanswered questions.

So even if we accept the premise that the most notable thing about Jack the Ripper, legendary serial killer and the embodiment of abandoned children's hatred, doesn't have anything to do with serial killing, children, or hatred your explanation requires us to assume that the Throne of Heroes just doesn't really get how clothing works? That in-universe, after making some assumptions, the outfit is still dumb and nonsensical? That's not much of a defense, and incidentally ignores that an actual human being sat down and decided that that was the outfit most appropriate for Unwanted Urchin Jack the Ripper.

Side note: If she's capable of dismembering five people and bailing without ever getting caught, she's capable of mugging someone should she be hard up for money.

With respect to your earlier post, I say shit when I have shit to say. I'm not going to bump a thread to announce that I have no strong opinions one way or the other.

Also, did Jack even need food and such? My impression from the Type/MOON wiki is that she was more like a ghost or a spirit than an actual physical body during her "career."

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For reference, the other iteration of Jack the Ripper (the Berserker that appears in Fate/Strange Fake, the embodiment of 'the mystery that is Jack the Ripper's identity') does have a Noble Phantasm named "From Hell". It's the embodiment of one theory at the time that Jack was a demon, turning Berserker Jack into a demonic monstrosity empowered by the fears of the humans in its surroundings (and as such, gets stronger in highly populated areas), if I remember correctly.

edited 23rd Mar '18 12:18:20 AM by Tsuzurao

A weird idea I had posted in another forum: Nasuverse and Soul Eater, as a fused setting instead just throwing elements of one into the other.

No way. You say? Understandable. But the bite from the plot bunny got infected, I couldn't have stopped if I wanted.

The biggest anti-magic elephants in the room that hit me first when thinking about Soul eater are: The Grimm Reaper being a influentional figure living in North America (somewhere in Nevada), all the (literal and metaphorical) insanity and magic going on in modern day and, of course, the war against the Witches going on for millenia. So let's go in order.

Back in the day, when humanity was young and the Age of the Gods was in full swing, Death (Lord Death or Shinigami-Sama), a deity embodying the fear humans have of death (not really)... Turned out to be a pretty chill guy, all things considered. He and his pals mingled with humans on a baser level than other divine spirits, nurturing them and coming to their aid in several occasions. This constant interference had the knock on effect of humanity accepting the presence of gods a little bit more than they would otherwise, which prolonged the Age of Gods somewhat. A lot more fantastical stuff and bullshit survived to modern day, even if Death (and company), now just shadows of their former selves, are the only remaining gods that can influence anything in the domain of man.

Then there's the war with the Witches. Best way to fit it, I think, is to say that Witches are a separate group from most moonlit peoples, a minority that oppenly (relatively speaking) causes trouble for everybody. Other brands of people using magicks are tolerated as long as they keep to themselves and use eco-friendly chicken blood instead of human sacrifices to do whatever they are doing (I mean, in canon they did leave the alchemists alone until Giriko started up shit so...), otherwise they will get people bursting down their doors sooner or later. Then there's what happened at the end of the manga, spoilers below:

Death passed away while his son (Death the Kid, I'm not joking) took his place both in responsability and power. Kid began working on the betterment of the world, even working past centuries of hatred and bloodshed to offer an olive branch to the witches.

As to actual ideas, let me see.

• Magi going through great pains, almost comically so, to never get caught doing their thing.

• It wasn't Lancelot nor Mordred that caused the fall of Camelot, it was Excalibur (video timestamp for reference). Through sheer annoyance.

• In the topic of Excalibur, the Grail Wars still happened, just with most of it taking place away from populated areas because, again, magi don't want to get caught. Fuyuki still ended up on fire because the copy of Excalibur that was summoned with Seibah pissed off Gilgamesh like no one have ever pissed off anyone before.

• Shirou would totally go join DWMA when the magi gig didn't quite work out.

• There's the skyscraper sized can of worms that is the question of whatever or not Shirou could trace demon weapons. I mean, could he actually replicate the birth and growth of a person through the tracing process? If yes, would they retain any sort of consciousness, will or autonomy? Would they be able to go into their human forms? Too many questions, man. Although it gives me the hilarious image of Shirou going through the demon weapon's history, going as far as seeing how they were conceived.

• In the topic of Demon Weapons, which other big name stuff could be codified into them? I'm suddenly hit with the image of that being the case with Kanshou and Bakuya. Something about Gan Jiang dumping a lot of qi (his', his wife's, and of the hundreds of kids that supposedly helped in one version of the story) on the furnace turned the sword into a girl, then the leftover mojo went into his unborn son, also making him into a living weapon centuries before Demon Weapons actually became a thing (maybe Gan Jiang's wife was a witch and got sacrificed anyways, whatever works).
  • Something like the female one (Mo Ye/Bakuya) being the sword made in the furnace, which turned into a girl due to all the Qi Gan Jiang threw into it, she was given to the emperor as promised but Gan Jiang still was killed because it took three years. The male one (Chi/Gan Jiang Jr/Kanshou) being Gan Jiang senior's biological son who ended up as a transforming weapon due to backwash from the process that created the girl, sharing a magical connection to her because of it. The boy's quest for revenge was for his father's death as much as it was to save his "sister".
  • EMIYA could try and trick everybody into thinking he was the assassin from the legend of Gan Jiang. The one that helped Chi (Gan Jiang's son) kill the emperor. Saying that the way things played out is that the assassin snuck the boy into the castle in sword form, and them snuck out both swords out after killing the emperor (which might or might not be true), with Archer citing his possession of Kanshou and Bakuya as proof.
  • Maybe after seeing Archer using them, Shirou realised they were Demon Weapons once he made his own copies. Although it bring up a question: Soul Resonance with projected Demon Weapons, yay or nay?

• An idea to go with Grand Order, Gudako being a weapon. Spending a lot of time like that during Singularities because Demon Weapons are hella durable, so she would be safer in that state. Maybe even being weilded by Servants during serious fights because Soul Resonance can be all kinds of broken. Although picking a weapon form that would fit her sounds a little hard.
  • Any suggestions for a weapon form that wouldn't be too awkward in the hands of both this and this?
  • Then again, part of the fun in Soul Eater was seeing what kind of ridiculous stuff ended up as Demon Weapons and baddas people using them anyway. I mean, the scythes get a pass due to anime, but then you get stuff like guilotines and mirrors.

• Another idea thrown around was of Avalon being (something like) a Demon Weapon, I was thinking more like something like a container for Excalibur that Merlin got to keep the sword from driving Arturia insane, but this sounded funnier. From what we know, fairies (at least the ones that lived in the same cave as him) fucking hate Excalibur, it wouldn't be that far off to say they hate him so much that they made Avalon (the sheath) to keep him out of Avalon (the place) and to seal him away if anyone ever got the sword sheathed (that's not an euphemism, get your mind out of the gutter). It's why Avalon work as a catalyst for Seibah, bacause normally there's no way she would agree to being summoned if she would have to be dealing with Excalibur the whole time.

• Of the many kids that formed Jackie, some might possibly have been demon weapons, manifested as those knifes she carries around. They could even be able to take human form if enough mana was provided, but it wouldn't help much since only Jackie can fight. She can totally become a one person cuddle pile, tho, and Gudako certainly almost drowned in it in more than one occasion.

• I can't think up any names right now, but there's some criteria that would make figuring out which legendary weapons could have been Demon Weapons easier. They became a major thing only around the beggining of the Thirteenth century. It required human sacrifices to make or just weild? Demon Weapon. It drives people crazy and/or forces them to do things they normally wouldn't? Evil Demon Weapon. Was created by a mage and/or given to a hero? Demon Weapon, likely a relative/retainer/servant of the former duped into becoming the latter's partner.

• Iskander's Noble phantasm become even more broken due to factoring in Soul Resonance. Since the whole thing is held together by their shared willpower and resolution, it also connects them through a semi-artifical Chain Resonance, on a massive scale, empowering each and every single combatant to a crazy degree. Gil was especting a proper fight after the first time he saw it. What he wasn't expecting was the fake world of Ionioi Hetairoi knitting itself back together after he fired Ea, nor gettign bumrushed by all those idiots.

• Incidently, Hundred Faces hassan figured out something similar. Using Soul Resonance with his other selves to get a little more power. It wasn't as awesome as Iskander's testosterone feedback loop due to being something they figured out on the fly but it hey, he tried.

And some ideas for the cross' rendition of the events of the 5th HGW: Spoiler

• Taking place some time before the events of Soul Eater. Maybe a year or two.
• After Fuyuki was set on fire in the previous war, the local DWMA branch put their foot down and demanded things be kept away from civilians, or else. To make sure of that, one of the Death Scythes was sent to oversee it along with Kotomine. I'm thinking either Azusa (who appears to be Japanese), or Justin Law (who could be intermediary between Death and the Church in this cross). Kotomine's poker face got a little strained while trying to keep Gil from picking a fight.

• Kotomine still took Lancer under everybody's notice and had him run around causing trouble as a distraction. Lancer might not have fought Archer under the same circunstances as canon, tho. Either that or it was a chance encounter gone wrong that still involved Shirou.

• From the very moment that Seibah was summoned, she knew that Shirou had Avalon somewhere. The magic sheath (which still was inside Shirou) revealed herself soon after getting a read on Seibah's mana. After that, team King Arthur (ftr. clueless boi) went about figuring out what to do.

• Shinji as an actual combatant. Heresy, I know, but humans can get quite strong in Soul Eater, even without magic or demon weapons. Shinji is an actually very talented and dedicated person when he's not being a creep and/or his inferiority complex gets the better of him, so it kind of make sense for him to learn how to defend himself.
  • I got the weird image of Shinji jury rigging some of Zouken's creepy worms, using them in a jail-broken version of Soul Resonance to get a boost in power. Carrying said worms around instead of going through horrific body modification. It being a safe(r) version of what Zouken did to Kariya in this cross' version of the 4th HGW. The term for it, coined by Zouken, is Flesh Resonance, but Shinji calls it (even screams it mid battle) Pest Resonance out of spite.

• Incidently, Taiga is also kind of a badass. Like, could-actually-spar-with-Saibah badass. You don't mess with the Yakuza princess.

• Rider ended up in a strange spot. On one hand, Blood Fort is a no go with a Death Scythe breating down their necks. On the other, Shinji is actually carrying his own weight and even helped her get a little more out of Belerophon by figuring she could do Soul Resonance with it because they are (conceptuallly speaking) relatives. Except overusing it somehow triggered her Monstrous Strenght beyond the point of no return.

• Madea still ended up with Kuzuki. Except she didn't summon Assassin because somebody had already done it. Without the easy setup of guard dog at the entrance of the temple, and the explicit threat if messing up with civilians, she had to get creative.

• Who summoned Assassin? Crona. Soul Eater!Medusa heard of the Grail War and hatched out a plan. First, she got a catalyst for summoning Carmilla. Then, she let them loose near Fuyuki after giving the Servant carte blanche to drink Crona's blood, while observing from afar how they interacted. The way she figured, she could bail out Crona if things got too bad, or she could get the Grail. Win-Win. If only.

• Illya soon figured out that she would have to actually work to deal with all those idiots. Since just siccing Berzerker on them didn't cut it, she started considering alternatives. Like letting the benefits of Mad Enhancement take hold, or even turn it off for a little.

To keep things clear here about Soul Eater Medusa and Nasu Medusa: Despite the snake motif, Soul Eater!Medusa have nothing to do with the mythological Medusa. I assume one of her parents was an oldschool fan of Greek stuff, going as far as naming their kids after Medusa, Arachne and a reference to the Scorpio constellation¹ , and choosing Gorgon as their household name.

To keep it from getting confusing if the two ever interact, people could refer to them with different prefixes/suffixes (miss Medusa, Medusa-san), reffering to Nasu!Medusa by her class designation (Rider/Lancer/Avanger) or just calling Soul Eater!Medusa Witch Medusa.

¹Shaula, the younger sister. I guess the parent that wasn't a fan of Greek stuff finally put their foot down.

... I also now shall forever ship Crona with Chevalier d'Eon.

Wait a minute. You aren't making Shirou a weapon? HERESY.

Even if everyone in Iskander's RM was in a chain resonance I doubt that would change the outcome much. Ea also took out about half of Rider's army when it fired.

edited 5th Apr '18 3:38:36 PM by Unlikelyauthor2

Regardless of your opinion of the last American election, we can all agree on one thing- The Chinese Communist Party can choke on scrotes!

• Wait a minute. You aren't making Shirou a weapon? HERESY.

Well, the first reason that come to mind is that Demon Weapons are actually pretty rare. We just see a lot of them in the show because they live in the one city in the world where Demon Weapons are granted a safe haven and free education in a very prestigious school. Making Shirou one on top eveything else he have going on didn't feel right to me (It kind of fits with Guda because they are a semi-blank slate already and are stuck as support during fights).

Then again, maybe in a pinch he could figure out how to use his crazy sword magic to temporarily become a weapon?

Also, if Shirou was a Demon Weapon, he likely wouldn't even be around in Fuyuki during the Grail War. Soul Eater Not shows that Demon Weapons are kind of expected to go to DWMA to attend the classes at least until they can control their powers enough that there's no risk they can harm others accidentaly.

If Shirou went there he would likely enter the combat classes and become a full fledged agent of Death. 'Cause hunting down evil people while the grimm reaper himself gives him a thumbs up is exactly the kind of thing Shirou wants out of life.

Um, that's a story of it's own, really.

• Even if everyone in Iskander's RM was in a chain resonance I doubt that would change the outcome much. Ea also took out about half of Rider's army when it fired.

Well, he would obvously still lose. But he would last longer, and those few moments would be all the more awesome for it.

Not to mention that things could have gone off the rails long before that since Seibah would be weilding Soul Eater Excalibur instead of her beam sword.

edited 5th Apr '18 5:00:01 PM by minusmagniaxe

Considering that nut job is about as strong as Ea and even more versatile I'm not sure that would end well for anyone.

As far as Chrona as a master, I'm not sure it would even be possible for them to summon anything besides a Berserker, given how their blood is a catalyst for madness.

Regardless of your opinion of the last American election, we can all agree on one thing- The Chinese Communist Party can choke on scrotes!

• Considering that nut job is about as strong as Ea and even more versatile I'm not sure that would end well for anyone.

That's exactly what I'm going for, yes. It's why Fuyuki still ended up on fire despite the people involved explicitly trying to keep their magic ghost deatlthlaton away from populated areas. Gil was that pissed off.

• As far as Chrona as a master, I'm not sure it would even be possible for them to summon anything besides a Berserker, given how their blood is a catalyst for madness.

There are several assumptions going on with this statement. For one thing, Illya claimed the Berzerker spot several months before the war even started.

For second, Medusa was specifically shooting for a Servant with power over blood, so she dredged up a catalyst. She would have preffered Dracula alright, but didn't have the time to get something to summon him specifically. She wasn't complaining, either way, since this whole thing was done on a whim and she was winging it all the way.

Also, Madness and Mad(ness) Enhancement are not the same thing. In this cross they are probably related, but it's very possible to get the former without the latter.

There is also the matter of when Saber is summoned, is Excalibur transported to her from wherever he is? Or is a replica of him created? Think very carefully before you answer, do you really want to consider what effects multiples of that thing could have for reality, and the background insanity of the world?

Personally re: Tracing Demon weapons. I think at best Shirou would be able to recreate the weapon form, no mind or soul.

I would vote keeping Justin Law and Kotomine as far away from each other as possible assuming that he's already worshipping the Kishin. I don't even want to know what the hell those 2 would get up.

edited 6th Apr '18 2:53:55 PM by Unlikelyauthor2

Regardless of your opinion of the last American election, we can all agree on one thing- The Chinese Communist Party can choke on scrotes!