All-Purpose Nasuverse Fanfiction Thread

I said she learned how to do it, it's one of her skills as a Ruler, not that she actually did it.

So, does anyone know of any good "Shirou joins a Peerage" fics? The author of Fake x Fate said that there were some that were done by authors better than they are and I'm rather interested since that story is quite good.

edited 21st Sep '16 7:15:18 PM by Zelenal

I think there's one called A Demon Lord's Hero or something like that? I kinda liked that one. It's got problems, chief of which is Shirou projecting Excalibur (it's not a lack of power or Gaia rejecting it too much or anything of that sort, it's impossible because of UBW's innate limitations, if it didn't have those limitations that prevent it from being able to trace Excalibur, then it would flat out be True Magic! But at least in this case, it makes a little bit more sense because Shirou is a Devil and not human and thus UBW's limitations are likely different... even if I still don't like it. Besides, it was used to show Kokabiel the power of man, when Excalibur is NOT a show of the power of man, it's a show of the power of the Fae, if he really wanted to show off humanity, he should've used Caliburn instead. It's just as powerful and Shirou doesn't have to worry about breaking it (and yes, Caliburn being just as powerful as Excalibur is canon, and it breaking after a single use because it can't handle its own power output is also canon) and wow did I go off on a tangent.

It's just, it's so common as a plot point and it annoys me a lot, so... yeah.

Stop giving Shirou Excalibur, he can't have Excalibur, he can't have anything Gilgamesh doesn't already have, and Gilgamesh doesn't have Excalibur.

Anyway, as I said, it has problems, but it's a decent read. I think it had no business throwing in another crossover character in Karasuba from Sekirei, and I blame Gabriel Blessing for that, much less so in the way it did, but eh, I've seen far worse.

edited 21st Sep '16 7:14:52 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

Have you read Guardian of DxD? It's certainly gained a lot of popularity and it's somehow a Shirou/Saber fic so that's something.

Also, I agree with you about Excalibur and I'm glad that Fake x Fate didn't do that.

edited 21st Sep '16 7:18:33 PM by Zelenal

That's right, KURO is the Emiya that can use Excalibur, get it right!

Never mind about that one fic I mentioned. It's pretty bad and I barely even started.

Kuro is kind of also not human so her UBW probably isn't bound by that pesky "can only do stuff that a human could potentially do" thing.

She's kinda sorta not really a homunculus, which are basically pretend fairies in the Nasuverse, so it's entirely possible that Kuro could do it if she ever saw the actual Excalibur. It'd be impossible for her to do it based on EMIYA's memories, because there is no Excalibur in EMIYA's UBW, as there cannot be an Excalibur in EMIYA's UBW.

Most fics that get very popular very quickly tend to be So Bad Its Horrible. It's because they appeal to the lowest common denominator that they get so popular so quickly, and they don't make for good reading if you're actually paying attention instead of just mentally masturbating.

edited 21st Sep '16 7:27:44 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

Or not mentally...

Well, it wasn't terribad (I've read much worse) but it didn't catch my interest. That being said, I skimmed a bit of the first chapter and instantly came to a part that made me stop. See for yourself if you wish.

Meanwhile, Chapter 1 of "A Demon Lord's Hero" is pretty good.

edited 21st Sep '16 7:34:39 PM by Zelenal

Random idea: Heaven's Feel Shirou is sent to the netherworld for conduct unbecoming of a hero of justice (to wit, not posing dramatically when giving speeches, a terrible breach of proper behavior). He is sentenced to Prinny-hood (actual Prinny-hood, not just a hat), and made to go through the usual torturous degradation so that he may reincarnate.

Shiro proceeds demonstrate how to hilariously abuse the power to 'explode when thrown and eventually regenerate to explode when thrown again' when you literally have no sense of self-preservation and not cute girls to yell at you to stop thinking like that.

It ends in Prinny Overlord Shiro, running a disgusting Netherworld that runs on,ugh, justice.

Having only played the demo of Disgaea 5, I love that idea, dood.

Uh, dood, that falls into a very, very big plothole.

Who the hell is reviving Shirou, if nobody wants him there?

Because Prinnies cannot heal themselves on their own or naturally learn magic.

So... yeah, who the hell is ressing Shirou?

Well, Prinnys are servants, so obviously, Shiro is someone's servant. Some generic Netherworld denizen bucking for promotion to Main Character Status. They bought Shiro because he was so dirt cheap they were giving him away. Naturally, we never see this person because he's mistaken about being the Main Character.

That would work until Shirou starts being a thorn on someone's side.

So, I'm really not sure how to feel about Issei having just a Twice Critical rather than the Boosted Gear. The way the author is treating Rias (and Sirzechs) and Issei seems almost a little mean spirited.

The treatment of Sirzechs and Rias isn't actually that bad - it's just that Shirou is constantly assuming the worst out of everyone involved with the Gremory because of just how terrified he is of Sirzechs.

Even if he does project Excalibur in Heaven's Feel?

I'm not really one for the Death of the Author but I will say that when it comes the Flip-Flop of God (in this case Nasu changing his mind over whether or not Shirou and EMIYA can project Excalibur or not), that's one of the few times I will say that the body of the work itself supercedes authorial statements.

edited 22nd Sep '16 4:02:15 PM by KnightofLsama

The thing is, in order to actually do it, Shirou has to break one of the steps of UBW.

He needs to be able to recreate the process through which it was forged.

He can't do it with Excalibur, Galatine or Aroundight, because they were forged by fairies using methods humans can't reproduce. He can't trace it.

If he can't trace it, because his mind can't reproduce how it was forged, then he can't project it.

It really should be impossible based on how UBW is explicitly stated to work.

But there is Archer's claim that it's possible for him (and thus Shirou) to project an imperfect replication of Excalibur... which would still lethally drain him of energy with just one use (unless he's summoned within the Moon Cell's system). Maybe that's what Shirou had projected in Heaven's Feel.

Archer can very well lie. Especially when he's trying to make sure Saber doesn't Excaliblast him.

So I got to the Excalibur scene and it seems that it's the Sword of Promised Glory here rather than the Sword of Promised Victory. Since this is a full AU, I'm more okay with it then I think IANCE is but I much prefer what Fake x Fate did. Shirou curb stomping the Fallen was pretty cool, though, but I honestly think that battle took way too long.

That's indeed a valid interpretation, but in the absence of solid evidence for or against either one, both interpretations hold more or less equal weight.

There is very damn solid evidence for it being a lie. That evidence being Archer cannot trace Excalibur and thus can't project it. He was bluffing, because he's the only one who knows that.

"Archer cannot trace Excalibur" and "Archer cannot trace an imperfect Excalibur" are two very different things. The former is obviously impossible for him to do, something he himself admits; the latter is by his own admission a guaranteed suicidal attack despite it being inferior to the original article even moreso than his usual traced NPs are to their originals, so logically he would only resort to it if he believes he can't achieve his goal through non-suicidal means. And it seems that he did not face such a dire situation in FSN, as even when cut off from any prana supply and pretty much running empty after his supposed death in UBW, he could still throw a shit-ton of traced NPs to free Rin from the predicament she got into while trying to pull Shinji out of the Greater Greal's Lovecraftian flesh-mass, erect Rho Aias to protect Shirou while he casts his own UBW, and throw a well-placed sword at Gilgamesh's head at the very end.

Archer cannot trace Excalibur, period. All of the weapons he projects are imperfect. They're degraded copies of the originals. He can't even do that much with Excalibur. He could make a sword that looks like Excalibur, but he can never make a copy of Excalibur.