This is not a trope about bears: Exit Pursued By A Bear

The picture here is a guy getting chased by a bear. That's not what this trope is about. This is another of those overly literal trope images that does more to confuse the trope than to clarify it. I'd like to pull it.

Yeah, that's not the trope at all. Supporting the pull.

Keep Until Better Image Suggested

This would be rather hard to picture otherwise

No pic is always better than one that doesn't work. Images are to pages what whipped cream is to hot chocolate - nice to add on, but not really needed.

edited 18th Jan '12 12:38:30 PM by Willbyr

It wouldn't be that hard, all that needs to be shown is that the bear is breaking up a group. One guy running from a bear while others look on or run away in a different direction would be this trope. The point is a third party breaks up the action so the hero doesn't get dirty.

edited 18th Jan '12 1:17:44 PM by Cider

Laconic: "Villain is finished off by a large, vicious animal."

Could you explain why this image is better than nothing?

edited 18th Jan '12 2:10:35 PM by rodneyAnonymous

I don't think the current picture is anything more than pretty graphics. It doesn't describe the trope, but it also doesn't mislead or distract from the trope.

If it doesn't describe the trope, then it does mislead and detract. It is not possible to be one and not the other.

Page images are there to help describe the trope, not be pretty graphics. (Although both is ideal.) No image would be better.

edited 18th Jan '12 2:38:45 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Sure it can. According to Eddie, images are also allowed if they illustrate the trope, which this one does.

So Keep Until Better Image Suggested, for me.

But it doesn't. The image illustrates being pursued by a bear.

Yeah, this image is misleading because it makes the trope look like "being chased by a literal bear" when that's not what the definition is. Having an image like that can cause misuse and shouldn't be on the page.

That's exactly right.

Similar images (a silhouette of a bear chasing a man) have been used before to illustrate the line. I don't really see a problem with it.

But we aren't illustrating a line. We are illustrating a trope.

When? Where? Why is it relevant to the TV Tropes article?

The line is an example of the trope.

Doesn't matter. So is "Eaten by a Crocodile". An image depicting a silhouette of a crocodile eating a person would be lame.

The question is always whether the image illustrates the trope. Always. In fact, there is something to be said for an image deliberately not matching the title.

edited 18th Jan '12 3:59:18 PM by rodneyAnonymous

I thought you were arguing that the image is inappropriate because it doesn't illustrate the trope, not because it is lame. And the image of Hook being chased by the crocodile would be pretty funny, anyway.

In what context doesn't it illustrate the trope?

edited 18th Jan '12 4:00:25 PM by Gwirion

It is lame because it doesn't illustrate the trope. The trope is not being pursued by bears. Even if, given a lot more detail, that is an example.

Yes, an image of Captain Hook being chased by a crocodile would be funny. A silhouette of an unknown human being chased by a crocodile would not be, though.

edited 18th Jan '12 4:56:06 PM by rodneyAnonymous

How does it not illustrate the trope? An illustration is just that, an illustration. It isn't an exact blueprint of how a trope is executed.

edited 18th Jan '12 4:01:02 PM by Gwirion

Because the trope is "villain is finished off by a large, vicious animal", not "being chased by bears".

The word "exit" is absolutely crucial to the title's relationship to the trope. No matter what the title is, that element (most importantly, its meaning) is critical. That image is not "exit pursued by bears", it is just "pursued by bears".

edited 18th Jan '12 4:56:40 PM by rodneyAnonymous

We get it. The image of a bear chasing a man is nevertheless an example of the trope.

"We" who? And it's not.

There is no connection between the title being an example of the trope, and the image being an illustration of the title. The image is not an illustration of the trope.

edited 18th Jan '12 4:06:43 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Just being an example isn't enough to make it a good image. It has to demonstrate the trope somehow, which the current image doesn't do. The trope is "the bad guy is last seen being chased away by an animal". The current image doesn't include the "this is how the character exits the story" part of the trope, and the fact that it's an overly literal illustration of the trope name makes the trope appear a lot narrower than it actually is.

According to Eddie, images are also allowed if they illustrate the trope, which this one does.