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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#26: Feb 5th 2012 at 12:21:21 PM

I do think it's very telling that the misuse is so consistent for a missing supertrope. That's a sign that it will be a very healthy Trope Transplant. Once the transplant is done it's looking like it's going to be used correctly with very little misuse.

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#27: Feb 5th 2012 at 12:23:32 PM

Transplant should help. And I'm actually baffled as to why this has examples from other media when the description is strictly limited to video games.

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#28: Feb 5th 2012 at 12:33:36 PM

Missing supertrope syndrome. The trope people are looking for does not exist so they shoehorn examples into the closest trope that sounds like what they're looking for.

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Luc Since: Jan, 2001
#29: Feb 5th 2012 at 6:51:11 PM

Speaking as the original creator of the page: while creating it, I wasn't certain if there were enough examples of both to properly differentiate between them for the purposes of a trope. Given that there are, I'll endorse a Trope Transplant.

My sole question: What to name the new subtrope?

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ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth Since: Oct, 2011
#31: Feb 9th 2012 at 8:30:30 AM

I'd say the new supertrope can keep the current name (Loads And Loads Of Species doesn't imply they're intelligent) and the transplanted subtrope should be renamed Loads Of Playable Races.

I do think the supertrope description should mention that "races" here means intelligent species, not "black people, white people, Asians, etc."

edited 9th Feb '12 8:31:16 AM by ArcadesSabboth

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#32: Feb 9th 2012 at 8:31:47 AM

Yeah, races tends to be the term used for intelligent species. Species tends to be used much more broadly.

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#33: Feb 9th 2012 at 8:34:17 AM

I agree, the name is good for a supertrope. Using it for a medium-restricted trope would provoke misuse.

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DiamondWeapon Since: Jan, 2001
#34: Feb 9th 2012 at 10:34:09 AM

Looking at those type labels in the description, they're all getting at different tropes:

  1. Sequels tend to introduce more races
  2. A game lets you choose your race
  3. A setting has lots of races

Despite being written as games only, 2 is the only actually game-specific one. 3 fits the name.

ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth Since: Oct, 2011
#35: Feb 9th 2012 at 10:43:49 AM

So you think #1 is a separate trope to send to YKTTW?

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#36: Feb 9th 2012 at 3:26:43 PM

If the current definition is #2 (large playable race/species selection), we could almost call it Choose Your Species.

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ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth Since: Oct, 2011
#37: Feb 16th 2012 at 5:37:41 PM

Bumping for votes. This is close to being call-able.

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BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
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ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth Since: Oct, 2011
#39: Feb 17th 2012 at 2:22:39 PM

So that means the current definition gets transplanted to a new page, which will need an Alt. Titles Crowner.

Then the current page and title has to go back to YKTTW to write the supertrope description, or can it be written here?

Then examples have to be sorted.

edited 17th Feb '12 2:23:19 PM by ArcadesSabboth

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#40: Feb 17th 2012 at 2:25:55 PM

There is now an alternative titles crowner for the game mechanic trope here. Feel free to add names as you see fit.

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#41: Feb 17th 2012 at 2:28:08 PM

I think the supertrope should run through YKTTW. Opinions?

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#42: Feb 17th 2012 at 2:31:08 PM

I think getting a few more examples wouldn't be bad. Do not that you will have a lot of people calling duplicate though and it can tend to drowned out anything else.

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#43: Feb 17th 2012 at 5:20:52 PM

Question: What makes the video game variant a separate (sub)trope?

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#44: Feb 17th 2012 at 7:04:01 PM

The fact that it's about races as as an option to give mechanical variations in character creation and more character customization. None of the rest are really about the game mechanic. None of them can be.

edited 17th Feb '12 7:04:49 PM by shimaspawn

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#46: Feb 17th 2012 at 7:10:25 PM

They're sister tropes honestly and they tend to both customize different things. While classes tend to define all your core abilities, races just tend to tweak a couple of stats and give different dialogue options. Many games use both and the effect on game play tends to be much different.

edited 17th Feb '12 7:11:02 PM by shimaspawn

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ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth Since: Oct, 2011
#47: Feb 17th 2012 at 7:10:53 PM

Indeed, maybe it should be Loads And Loads Of Splats and encompass both races and classes.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#48: Feb 17th 2012 at 7:12:15 PM

For one thing, a splat is a completely different thing other than a race or a class so that would just be confusing, for another, they don't have the same role in games.

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ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth Since: Oct, 2011
#49: Feb 17th 2012 at 7:18:11 PM

OK. See, I don't play video games or know anything about them.

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22nd Oct '12 10:45:04 AM

Crown Description:

The games-only subtrope Massive Race Selection now has a minimum number: 6 playable races.

Loads And Loads Of Races is the non-gaming supertrope (non-playable races in fiction). Shall this supertrope have a minimum number of races in its definition? What should that number be?

Note that the examples and wicks are all over the place. If any number is chosen, cleanup will be necessary.

Also, should the description allow the trope to be an Informed Attribute, or should a "race" need at least a little description or screentime?

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