Argentine Politics Thread

@Westerner,

No, I'd just be an ambassador who wouldn't stand for bullshit. This is Grade-A bullshit.

I suggest mass South American immigration to the Falklands.

@USAF

"The resources belong to the Falklanders, full stop. The Argentinians don't have any claim to them, and if they voted for independence, neither would Britain. "

So when it comes to the oil, which is in waters between Argentina and the islands,waters both Falklanders and Argentina claim as their own, the 1000 or so people in the Falklands have more of a say in the matter than the 40 million Argentines?

A lot of democracy in action, I see.

@ssfsx "The Falklanders are British. They have been since 1834. And they have fought to remain such time and time again" So what? I'm talking about the oil in Argentine waters, not some bunch of islands. Like I said, the islands, and the people on them, aren't actually the reason for the dispute.

edited 21st Dec '11 5:05:31 PM by stripesthezebra

Okay, both of you, not in my thread you don't. Clear?

USAF, calm down. Westerner, enough of the nationalism.

And stripes, take a gander at what the Falklanders think before you continue this line of thought.

edited 21st Dec '11 5:03:02 PM by Colonial1.1

Yeah, that's a good point.

But I'm not even Argentinian.

edited 21st Dec '11 5:03:29 PM by TheWesterner

@Westerner,

That's nice. "We can't get them to vote our way so we'll send people there to vote for us!"

They'd probably just shut the border down.

Yes, they do, because they're the people that actually live there. It could be all the rest of the 7 billion people on the planet, for all I care. The only ones that matter when it comes time to vote are the people who are actually citizens of the place in question.

I wasn't being very serious. But why would the Argentinians be nice. The British have already said it's non-negotiable.

edited 21st Dec '11 5:08:17 PM by TheWesterner

Or maybe you could actually adhere to international laws of the sea.

Of course, that would require that might does not equal right.

@USAF

OK, listen carefully now, THE OIL IS IN ARGENTINE WATERS.

Falklanders could probably keep the island, and noone would give a shit. But it's fucked up to steal resources that belong to another country, because you own an island nearby. And guess what? The Falklanders and the UK are doing that.

And what, do you think that Argentines don't actually live in Argentina, or something? They live there just as much as the Falklanders live on the islands.

edited 21st Dec '11 5:13:28 PM by stripesthezebra

How far is this oil from the Falkland Islands ?

Of course it's non-negotiable. What is there to negotiate?

See this:

That's from the Wikipedia article. And that is literally all that matters.

90% of the islands is British. Hell, Chile has more ethic population in the Falklands than Argentina does. Britain offered to bring the matter to international courts multiple times, and Argentina rejected the opportunity. They lost their foolish land-grab war on the matter, too.

So, too bad for them.

As for the oil, prove it with a map.

edited 21st Dec '11 5:13:16 PM by USAF713

@USAF Exactly. So then again there's no reason for Argentina to be nice.

...Also, how is it stealing if it's been the Falklanders' for yonks?

@Colonial It's stealing if they're drilling for oil in Argentinian waters.

@Westerner,

And they should be kicked in the teeth if they want to be bastards.

As for "stealing," they negotiated a treaty to set territorial waters around the Falklands and after 12 years Argentina unilaterally withdrew. They're stupid for it, and it's too bad for them.

To all the people arguing over whose waters they are based on population numbers having influence over water: population numbers do not hold up in international court. An argument based on this is more likely to hold up.

Exactly - and if Argentina wants to be like those who they harbor and say "This treaty is just a piece of paper," you know where that leads.

edited 21st Dec '11 5:17:58 PM by ssfsx17

They're drilling for oil 62 miles north of the Falkland Islands.

What are other nation's opinions on this (we already know Mercorsur's)?

edited 21st Dec '11 5:30:22 PM by TheWesterner

Which would be inside the North Falkland Basin in the Falkland Maritime Zone.

@Bat I wasn't saying it wasn't. Just telling people the facts.

But...

edited 21st Dec '11 5:34:06 PM by TheWesterner

So, say Argentina really is that stupid, and Britain invokes the NATO treaty. What are the actual chances of France and/or the US helping out?

@USAF

They withdrew from the treaty, so they don't accept it. That's why there is an arguement over the territory right now. Argentina still claims it, along with all sea that the UK claims in the area (the area being the waters near Argentina). What you are ignoring is that Argentina doesn't care about the islands, they care about the water, and the oil in it. Argentina's claim to that water is far more legitimate than the UK's, given they are right next to it. The Falklands are an underpopulated, forgotten UK territory, I don't see why their presence makes the UK's claims legitimate.

Edit: I highly doubt it will actually come to a fight, so the US and France probably won't do anything.

edited 21st Dec '11 5:34:02 PM by stripesthezebra

I don't know about the US, but British rights to the islands are enshrined in the Treaty of Lisbon. I don't think anyone in Europe is going to want to open up that can of worms by sitting on their thumbs.

"Buenos Aires says the UK has broken a UN resolution forbidding unilateral development in disputed waters. "

@USAF I see the US providing very little military help and Spain providing no help at all.

edited 21st Dec '11 5:35:12 PM by TheWesterner

The Argentinians don't have a better claim, because the British (and French) were there before the Argentinians.

The French were there, followed by the British. Then the Spanish took it, before the South Americans took it from them. Then Britain took it back.

Argentina has no legitimate claim.

@Bat Pencil,

I take it that Germany wouldn't care, but France would? What about Spain?

And what YOU are ignoring is that the waters in question are the responsibility of the Falkland government, the defence of which is the responsibility of the United Kingdom. It's the Falklander's call, not Argentina's.