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I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.
One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.
All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM
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Considering Sabertooth has killed children before without even the slightest of hesitation, he is absolutely not.
The Head of the Hydra
Sabretooth is pure no restraint, he actively floats all societal rules and restrictions so he can fully embrace in the beast inside.
Unlike Wolverine who works to control his bloodshed, Sabretooth revels in it.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Surrounded by weirdoes
In spite of everyone's attempts to put down that rabid animal.
Wake me up at your own risk.
Pizza is my business
This is why the numerous attempts to redeem sabretooth always fall flat for me, he’s such a terrible person and actively revels in cruelty
the only time it worked somewhat was alternate universes where everything was different like aoa or when he was inverted and even then he was still a jerk, just one who was heroic
he/him
So, tomorrow's Fall of the House of X #4 is apparently the "one horrible betrayal" that ties the different finale series together.
Any bets? Covers just show Cyclops and Moira fighting, and that feels like it's not exactly new or twisty.
Part of me thinks Xavier will be revealed as a bad guy, given that Hickman's data pages have redacted diary entries and notes that he's completely rebooted and reinstalled his own mind more than once.
More broadly, if The Reveal is a big betrayal, I'd rather the comic didn't rely on it in the advertising.
Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 16th 2024 at 10:33:50 AM
Well, w/ how much Xavier's been crapped on throughout the Fall of X (or for a long time if you think about it), it wouldn't surprise me if the reveal showed him as the traitor or if the great betrayal turns out to be something he does by complete accident.
It turns out Blob was watering down the drinks in the bar. An unforgivable betrayal.
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he/him
Krakoa was meant to be Fred's redemption. I'm already sad at the backsliding in Uncanny Avengers.
Don't tell me there's worse.
Team Rocket Boss.
So Krakoa, how is their tourism industry? Gotta raise money somehow.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
“Maybe we should change our amusement park safety standards to suit people who don’t get automatically resurrected….”
Edited by Dayraven1 on Apr 16th 2024 at 3:20:56 AM
Team Rocket Boss.
Man, you'd think the X-Men would cash in on their image now that they have their own country, with merchandising.
They have to get money somehow.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 16th 2024 at 6:25:17 PM
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
The Head of the Hydra
Their money makjng was pharmaceutical.
They had super drugs that could cure physical diseases, mental diseases, and extend human lifespan.
Which also gave countries around them to be more accepting of their existence, as they would have something major to gain.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Oh, bother.
The fact these medical shipments were their primary source of income also made them a major vulnerability. One that Orchis exploited mercilessly.
Edited by M84 on Apr 16th 2024 at 6:32:59 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
Team Rocket Boss.
Now that's diplomacy and soft power. Sounds like a solid move from the X-Men.
And of course the drugs got people crazy like Mary Jane's Aunt.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
And even w/ exports like that you still have countries not only refusing to trade w/ Krakoa but double-down on the anti-Mutant bigotry like Russia, Brazil and the UK for merely existing. In Russia's case, they also went full supervillain w/ also trying to nuke Atlantis.
Edited by KRider on Apr 16th 2024 at 3:56:37 AM
Anyone else notice how they seem to be REALLY shitting on Xavier and framing his actions at the Gala as selfishly "betraying" his people to Orchis, completely leaving out how he did it because Orchis was threatening to kill BILLIONS of innocent people, actually killed the numerous innocent humans at the Gala, and had put him under the impression he was just sending everyone to Mars? That's fucking weird, right?
Oh, bother.
The actual betrayal was preaching a cause he didn’t believe. He got them to support Mutant essentialism even though he still thought it was bullshit.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
Yeah. Xavier has done a lot of rotten things, but they kinda put his back against the wall.
That being said, maybe it's just that most of his allies are so burnt out on him from his previous lies and betrayals that they just find it hard to give him the benefit of the doubt anymore.
That and it's him doing what he thinks is right without consulting his students again. Maybe if he'd trusted the X-men instead of taking Orchis' bait, they'd have found a way to avoid this.
One Strip! One Strip!
Xavier literally mind-controlled the Mutants into walking to their deaths not to mention being gullible enough to believe Orchis would keep their word or won't pull a fast one. Not to mention Orchis instigated a bloody civil war among the Arakkii in Arakko around the same time.
It's what Magneto warned Storm about regarding Charles. His self-righteousness causing him to believe he knows what's best and using his omega-level telepathy to force his decisions onto people.
Edited by KRider on Apr 16th 2024 at 6:48:43 AM
Oh, bother.
Xavier even admits to the Sinister in his head that he should have trusted the X-Men more.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Yeah, but again, you're leaving out that he did so when he had literally no other recourse or choice but to do that or else Orchis would've killed nearly the entire human population.
Wanting to prevent the senseless mass murder of billions isn't exactly "self righteousness".
Like, people are acting like this is a decision he made in some backroom deal, not while he had literal guns to his head and the enemy screaming in his ear that he had to do it or else the entire planet was going to die, right after he was made to watch an entire party worth of people get slaughtered.
Edited by immortaleditor on Apr 16th 2024 at 6:47:21 AM
The problem is he forced the decision via mass mind control against everyone's will but Orchis'. It also didn't begin during the Krakoe era but was hinted much earlier w/ him mindwiping the existence of Vulcan's X-Men from everyone's minds bec they were wiped out while failing to rescue the OG team from Krakoa and he wanted to spare Cyclops the grief, him forming the Illuminati w/ other supergenius heroes and leaders like Tony and Namor is now seen as terrible in hindsight, etc
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
Agreed.
But is correct that Charles should have trusted the X-Men more. What was the point of training them in the first place if not for moments like this.
Yes, Orchis caught them off guard and flat footed, but the X-men have been in shit situations previously and still bounced back. But Charles never gave them the chance.
I like Xavier. I think he's been given too many skeletons in his closet that have undermined him. And he was backed into a corner by Orchis.
But he screwed up. He screwed up badly and didn't trust his team when it mattered.
Edited by HandsomeRob on Apr 16th 2024 at 6:50:51 AM
One Strip! One Strip!
...God, I hope he's talking about how old you have to be before he kills you.
One Strip! One Strip!