Diablo and Diablo II

Definitely get the expansion. It's got tons of good stuff.

Speaking of which. I never actually completed the game myself; furthest I ever got was early Act III, but always kept losing interest. Too bad, because this is a fan game.

@Ultimatum: Install the expansion immediately-it is not just an add on, but an entirely different game from the start. When you install it, you will need to start over anyway with a 'modern' character, since right now you are playing 'classic'.

Also, you will need to make a decision-the basic stash is ridiculously limiting, so you need to do something. If you are interested in multiplayer, you will need a large number of extra low level characters as 'mules' to carry all the unique/set gear plus socketables you pick up. In that case, get the current, 1.14d patch. Remember you can only create certain runewords, find certain items, and engage in Uber Diablo hunts and Uber Tristram on multiplayer Ladder, which periodically resets.

If you only care about single player, like me, instead manually install the 1.13 patch and the free addon called Plug Y (just google it). That provides a functionally infinite stash, and allows all Ladder-only material in Single Player, which is normally unavailable. However, it was not updated with the last patch, so cannot be used with multiplayer.

edited 7th Mar '18 7:34:06 AM by ViperMagnum357

I could see how off putting it is to lose all you gear your're wearing and then having to trudge through the dungeon to get it all back,fortunately reloading warps it back to base camp

And even bossess resporn!

> basic stash is ridiculously limiting, so you need to do something.

I have a nice long spare to poke enemies while my minions do the killing,so the basic clash is not worrying me

> You will need to start over anyway with a 'modern' character, since right now you are playing 'classic'.

I don't feel like starting over at this point,restarts get rather tiresome,I am suprised however that they didn't bundle both games together as is typical

edited 7th Mar '18 7:42:43 AM by Ultimatum

Stash. I think it's referring to your inventory. You really want a lot more space than is provided by the game. It gets filled quick by all the stuff you pick up. When I was playing the game 10+ years ago, I had more than a dozen mules (extra lv1 characters created just to store stuff) just to carry all the loot I picked up from ~8 actual characters I was playing with.

Ah i see

You might also want to look into programs that allows you to transfer stuff between characters. You will pick up tons of uniques and set equipment that your current character class can't use but would be great on another class.

Hence why I recommended Plugy for single player, which is what I use. No muss, no fuss, you get everything, including a counter to simulate SOJ buys for D-Clone.

Would it increase the longevity of the Sorceress if all three masteries worked the same way, ie. debuff enemy resist instead of just buffing own damage? From what I remember, only Cold Mastery reduces enemy resist while Fire Resist only buffs own damage, which makes fire-specced sorcs useless on Nightmare and Hell because everyone's got fire immunity and Fire Mastery cannot break it while Cold Mastery can break its own immunity just fine.

Either that, or introduce a runeword aura that reduces immunity to 99% resistance. Still Scratch Damage, but not completely useless.

What do you guys think?

Cold Mastery doesn't affect enemies that are completely immune to cold, only those who have less than 100% resistance.

That's not what I remember. I distinctly remember reading that Cold Mastery can break immunity if the resist reduction brings the resist below 100%.

Update: read after it. CM used to break immunity in 1.07, but not anymore. Still sucks because it means that Sorceresses are useless on higher difficulty levels in general without a Necromancer or Paladin to break immunities for them.

edited 11th Mar '18 7:51:52 AM by amitakartok

I see you updated your post. Only Conviction, Lower Resist, Amplify Damage, and Decrepify can break an immunity. The latter 2 can break weak physical immunity, Conviction can break weak to moderate Fire/Ice/Lightning immunity, and Lower Resist can do those 3 plus Poison. That is it.

Sorcs need to either go dual element-very difficult even with perfect gear-or beat people to death physically. That means Enchantress, mercenary, or using something like Plugy to respec on the fly.

You can, with an enormous amount of time and patience, finish the game solo with a Lightning Sorc and no merc, but it is very difficult-in order to do it, I had to farm gear with other characters in Hell, such as the Bone Necro I first beat the game with. Even then, it was very touch and go on P1. A lot of resets or respecs for immunes, and grinding a few areas with few or no lightning immunes.

edited 11th Mar '18 12:22:22 PM by ViperMagnum357

Which is still BS because it makes several entire classes useless for high-level solo play.

I know the game is built for multiplay, but still!

That reminds me. Can Act 3 hirelings get Conviction?

I don't think so. But IIRC there's a runeword that grants Conviction.

Found this.

Huh. That's a... strangely minmaxy way to retain class usefulness on higher difficulty levels.

It is based on natural immunities-almost everything in hell has one or two immunities, but the typical numbers vary wildly. Because they work at 1/5 effectiveness, Conviction and Lower Resist can usually break only the weaker ones-with Infinity, you can break up to 116% immunity; even a Paladin pumping Conviction can only break up to about 130%.

However, most natural Lightning immunes are in the 100-110% range; most Fire Immunes in the 110-130% range; and virtually all Cold Immunes in the 150-160% range. This means while a Paladin can break most natural Lightning and Fire Immunes, there is no way to break most Cold Immunes.

All of which does not take into account boss packs-Uniques on Hell get three random bonuses, and depending on what they are they can possess unbreakable immunities to up to 2 elements, and pass those on to their pack.

Now, every class in the game can solo Hell without a merc, but some of them need to be twinked or heavily farmed, and not all builds for each class are viable; so I would not consider them 'useless'.

edited 12th Mar '18 8:57:57 AM by ViperMagnum357

https://us.diablo3.com/en/blog/22887361/diablo-now-available-on-gogcom-3-7-2019

Surprised by this,the original game is now on Gog.com

Edited by Ultimatum on Mar 7th 2019 at 2:59:07 PM

Diablo II is the best game ever made. More news at eleven.

The Paladin is the best class and TBH I see the Diablo II version as my ideal version of Paladins.

Amazon, Assassin and Sorceress are good too.

I still say the Paladin has a voice like that of Tigatron.

Hey, I got Diablo I off of Go G and I tried the Belzebub mod and I didn't like it.

I saw another mod called The Hell that looked interesting to me but it apparently needs Hellfire/a physical installation.

Anyway I can bypass it?

Speaking of mods, any good Diablo II mods that are good for singleplayer?

I had most fun on Normal difficulty in Diablo 2... once I get to nightmare, it stops being fun.

And I don't do multiplayer.

It's one of the reasons why I quit Diablo 2 long time ago, the thrill, the journey on Normal ends too fast.

There’s Path of Diablo or Median XL. Dunno if there’s anything else.

Plug Y. Seriously. [1] Functionally infinite stash, and you have a shared stash accessible between all characters on your account, so no more mules. You get Ladder only Runewords, can do the Cow level any number of times, and can freely unassign and reassign your skills and stats, in the middle of battle when necessary. Regen the same maps, have extra pages listing out your stats and modifiers in exhaustive detail, show numerical values of life and mana, and you can do the special events in single player. Basically what single player should have been all along; otherwise it is the same as the base game at 1.13, which is irrelevant because the only changes in 1.14 were online, which is disabled when using Plug Y anyway.

Once you grind up some decent equipment on Normal Mephisto, Nightmare becomes a lot easier. And there are several cheap Runewords that can see you through the end of Nightmare, though Hell is another matter. Grinding Nightmare Mephy is where you will spend a lot of time in preparation for Hell.

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on May 26th 2019 at 10:31:29 AM

Thanks Viper Magnum 357!

As long as my Sorceress can solo Nightmare/Hell without bullshit elemental immunity, I'm fine. I remember having to invest a lot of points in few skills and couldn't really branch out properly... it limited me. But with resetting, that should allow me to adapt to situations as I see fit.

The longest I ever got years ago was with Barbarian in mid Act V on nightmare but I gave up because looting, trying to find better gear was... too much. I didn't have fun or satisfaction anymore.

And that one fucking time I got a ring of +1 Strength from Duriel on nightmare... I wanted to punch my screen back then.

Edited by Dhiruxide on May 26th 2019 at 3:23:04 PM

If you are going to solo with a Sorc, see my posts earlier on this page. Doing that requires a Mercenary, double element with a couple of respecs, or a Lightning Sorc with Infinity, which is a double Ber recipe (hideously expensive).

The thing is, finishing the game the first time on Hell is the hardest-once that is done, you have Hell Cows and Hell Mephy to work with, which is where you get most of your grail and runes. The two easiest ways to finish Hell are with a twinked Paladin Smiter, who can use Grief and a pile of crap to finish the game; or a Necromancer, where a Bonemancer can finish the game with White and a pile of crap, or a Fishymancer can finish the game naked. Once you finish the game once, that character can farm the treasure pinatas in Hell and get you everything you need to twink characters who need actual gear, like the Sorc and Barbarian.

The first character I ever finished Hell with was a Bonemancer with White and a bunch of shitty rares because I completed the game the first time while finding almost nothing of value. Once you can reliably run Hell Mephy, between him and the lower council packs you should find most of the Uniques and sets in the game, and more importantly the top shelf Magic Find pieces that increases your quality drops at a geometric rate. There are plenty of MF guides when you get to that point.

A Paladin needs Grief which needs a Lo rune you will probably not find during your entire first run through Hell, so I recommend a Bonemancer built around Bonespear to start with. Act 2 Normal Drognan can provide a +3 Bone Spear socketable wand with enough resets, Dol+Io is very easy to get, and the rest of the gear is just FCR, any skill bonuses you can scrounge, and round out with the best crap you find. The only Magic Immune enemy you have to fight is in the Throne room at the end, and all you have to do is respec as a Poisonmancer for 1 fight.

If you are ready to take the plunge, just remember it gets much easier once you have a high level character that can easily run Hell Mephy; he will drop the MF gear you need, that will get you everything except the high runes. The latter...well, scrounging for them is the where the real frustration comes in.

Overwhelming post but okay. I didn't play the game for some 7-8 years now!

Well I'll look back to post but so many things I forgot about.

Besides Sorc, I liked to play as Druid. His elemental skills are nice to use.

Fissure was my go to ability in vanilla. It's very good crowd control.

Since I'd like to play Druid again as well, I must hone it to the max. Make it best I can. Elemental chaos and destruction! I could transform into werebeasts but having magical pets would be enough to keep me safe and support me seriously tho, I love his fissure ability.

Edited by Dhiruxide on May 26th 2019 at 5:09:34 PM