Once Upon A Time

the issue with Rumple is that he is not evil or good, which just make him...unpleasent, there is a dissoance in what the show try to present and his action, also while bella want to rumple to be good, I never see in any other wayt that "why cant just be charming?" it get to the point that Zeleena and Hades are more soporting of each other....jeez, how that happen?

"Why does NO ONE treat him like the villain he is???"Why does NO ONE treat him like the villain he is???"

Because if they do, them everyone will have to point finger at each other: Regina in the first season act as much of spoler brat as Zelena(in fact for all the babbling of her and evil queen being diferent, the flashback show her being pretty much zelena 0,1 which I think is intentional in order of both sister feud to be over) who only get good thanks to henry and a lot of pacient, how Emma manipulated other as dark one and Killian(who pretty much brag about how is better than rumple with is wife) or how cora was forgiven even when is pretty sure a decent part of infrabook population is thanks to her

So ar irreemdible chararter in this show can be count with one hand(cruella,pan,gaston are the only who come to mind) with the other having very bad deed being forgiven, if you exclude Rumple, it come as arbitrary

I don't feel like its arbitrary at all. Zelina, for as far as the show cares, is on the good side now. She's made the switch and is not threatening anyone right now. Rumple has had all the chances to switch to the good side and refuses to over and over again to the point that Emma, Regina, and Henry's lives have been put in danger because of him.

Rumple has failed multiple times to do good and its either kill him now or he might succeed in killing Henry and Emma at some point. He is an actual danger to their lives every other Tuesday and they invite him into their homes for what?

Can you proof read your posts?

edited 1st Jun '16 5:04:49 PM by InkDagger

"for as far as the show cares, is on the good side now"

And so far the show cares, Rumple is still confuse guy and yet, I dont see you buying any of it, dosent it?

"Rumple has had all the chances to switch to the good side and refuses to over and over again to the point that Emma, Regina, and Henry's lives have been put in danger because of him."

So is Zelena,Regina and Killian or even Emma last season, all of them engage in dickery in some point of another and are being forgiven, good dosent it?

Also a point here: Im not in favor of Rumple at all, and I fine sad his devolpment is so muddy right now since he is by far my favorite chararter of the show, I still think he and Milah have a lot to talk but never did and I find that unfair since Regina manage to actually forgive Cora, the other mass killer of the show

So far, I just want Rumple to settle in one damn chararterizaton and sitck with it, make him good,bad, I just dont give a damn!

Emma made complete sense as she became the dark one after making it pick herself over Regina and saving ungrateful Rumples life. Even then she sought a way to get rid of it even through dastardly means while Rumple refuses to let go of it because he loves power more than anything else.

Zelena scoffed at the idea of redemption until she hurt her kid and rekindled her love with Hades even if that romance ended badly, and Regina has been doing the right thing even if it puts herself in danger because she wants to do what's right.

" Even then she sought a way to get rid of it even through dastardly means"

Dastarly means that Killian shred to rip when he found out Emma MAKE HIM a dark one for her own emotional stability like the selfish bitch she was in that season....only for this one backtrack and said she is really that good....ughhhh

"Zelena scoffed at the idea of redemption until she hurt her kid and rekindled her love with Hades even if that romance ended badly, and Regina has been doing the right thing even if it puts herself in danger because she wants to do what's right."

Said kid that have by raping Robin? or how she controll Rumple with his dagger and almost force to kiss him(squicky dosent even start to describe that) and now have a romance with the dick god that trap them there....yeah, and regina have less leg to stand out because she was the one who throw the damn curse in the first place and pretty much fill a lot people from underbrook herself.

But there's a difference between how Zelina and Rumple are being treated. Zelina, right now, at least IS being good. She isn't trying to kill anyone. She isn't acting antagonistically. I can buy them treating her well because she's acting good. She isn't plotting to kill them, stealing their hearts, or killing them. Yes, she did bad stuff in the past but they seem to have (very easily) forgiven her for that stuff and it'd be even more awkward to go back on that at this point.

Rumple isn't even trying to act good. He's blatantly not on the heroes side. He's kidnapped Zelina (after she 'turned good'), stole Robin's heart (for no reason?), and has either tried to kill or left the heroes for dead multiple times. There's literally no motivation to the Heroes inviting him over for tea and treating him like he's on their side.

The difference in Regina, Emma, and Killian's sides are that Regina has gone through hell and genuinely repented and regretted a lot of the things she's done during the process of switching sides, Emma was dark for a single season and she was barely a Dark One because 'Look guys, she was good and well motivated all a long and rejecting the temptation of the Dark One!' (which is a whole other issue entirely) and Killian was kind of Morally Neutral up until he got with Emma. He only was on the bad guy's side because they were paying him. In all other instances and even his backstory, he's a rebel.

Rumple hasn't regretted his actions as the Dark One, made attempts to be good, repented, or anything for longer than an episode or two. He regrets the consequences of his actions, but not the fact that he's doing evil things. Season 6 cements this with his attitude that 'I am who I am, stop trying to change me'. Fine, if he won't change to good, then he's evil and he's made MORE moves against the Heroes than most of the seasonal Big Bad's (Snow Queen, Pan, Cruella) had to before being put on the heroes 'kill on sight' list.

At the very least, I'm trying to understand Emma or Regina or the Charming's logic in NOT putting him on their shit list.

"Zelina, right now, at least IS being good. She isn't trying to kill anyone. She isn't acting antagonistically. I can buy them treating her well because she's acting good."

Yeah....not, I mean she is NOW, after all the damn the crap she put, including controling Rumple(which let to Neal death) try to steal a baby, rape Robin and fallig in love with the dick in hell, the whole "well she is good now" feel.....hollow, is an issue with how the show does thing which make me hard to judge Rumple, if you redeem Cora them the bar is pretty damn low

" He's blatantly not on the heroes side. He's kidnapped Zelina (after she 'turned good'), stole Robin's heart (for no reason?)"

With Zelena I can buy it because her boyfriend have grabed him by the ball with that contract, Robin heart...yeah that was dumb but neither Emma or killian treat him well, is just he know so much they are valuable for him, that would be fine but the show still fumble over his chararterization that is just....unpleasent

"Regina has gone through hell and genuinely repented and regretted a lot of the things she's done during the process of switching sides"

A process who take a LOT of time and snow pacient and yet she act like having any damn right to lecture Zelena(in fact in this season her flashback make her look a lot like her, I think that is one purpose)

" 'Look guys, she was good and well motivated all a long and rejecting the temptation of the Dark One!' (which is a whole other issue entirely)"

Oh I like Dark emma and the dark one arc, I hate it end that way, my only issie is this season having Killian backtrack the words he said to her when he was totally in the right, Emma use him for her emocional gain, also having Rumple,Killian and Emma being dark ones? fucking sold to me.

"He only was on the bad guy's side because they were paying him. In all other instances and even his backstory, he's a rebel."

Yeah, for me Prince charming,Killian and Belle are the only one who are really good(and Killian itself is the only who redemption I can buy)

" 'I am who I am, stop trying to change me'. Fine"

Actually that is why I find weird, he is not admiting being evil, just that his power as the dark one are part of what he is, until that way I can buy him, Rumple is pragmatic hero overall(in fact I miss the pragmatic bend of Regina, sometimes I feel she is another emma) but I the same thing it feel the writer have overlook the negative efect of magic and having a prize and....I dont know, I just feel they want grey rumple but without the distrust of him being dark rumple, is just inconsistent writing which is what annoy me.

So we officially have an Aladdin and Jasmine http://www.ew.com/article/2016/07/23/once-upon-time-karen-david-princess-jasmine

I hope this means we'll see Jafar back (he's still my favourite Once villain, spinoff or no).

Yep. He's back.

Played by a different actor. And, from the couple min preview we got, he has none of the same charisma.

Between this and Disney announcing that they're replacing the Tower of Terror with a Guardians of the Galaxy Ride, Disney is kind if pissing me off.

Ahhhh I loved her in Galavant so I'm excited to see her as Jasmine.

New thought. What if Ana is the new staff???

The preview's caption would suggest that these events happened a long time before current Once. I'm thinking New Jafar is really old Jafar and Wonderland Jafar just happened to have the same name?

I don't mind Fehr too much, but yeah, Naveen Andrews was a lot more fun to watch.

The writers confirmed its the same character.

They probably asked him to come back and he said no. Wonderland was three years ago, he's moved on.

Actually, it sounds more like they DID ask him to come back, but he's been tied up with Sense 8 now and couldn't work it into his schedule.

Which is interesting considering Sense 8 has been filming its new season for an awfully long time now.

Same difference.

Once upon a time is back.

Yep, and it looks like Episode 3 will be retconning Anastasia/The Red Queen from canon.

Goddamn it Once. DON'T retcon one of the best characters/performances from your entire franchise!

Well...that was quite the Face–Heel Turn. Interestingly, Jekyll being a whiny, cowardly git and murderer isn't totally out of the realm of possibility. Some versions play up the notion the Jekyll didn't want to separate his evil side to be good, but to find away to indulge his darker desires without morality holding him back. Also interesting that Hyde genuinely loved Mary

It's finally Aladdin and Jasmine time ^^ Also, Rumple's Random Haircut :P

edited 16th Oct '16 6:00:55 PM by Sisi

Adam Horowitz confirmed on Twitter that her backstory is being retconned as not being one of Cinderella's stepsisters (even though that was clearly the intent back when OUATIW was written), but the character herself is not and they hope to have her (and Will Scarlet) on the show this season for an episode, likely tying in with Jafar's inevitable appearance in the present day.

edited 17th Oct '16 10:21:32 AM by Isaac_Heller

Boo. Such a disappointment. But, I did enjoy Hyde's episode last night.

I wish Hyde had survived after the reveal that he wasn't a bad guy after all.He could have been a good role model for Regina.

Actually, that is in the original story, is mistaken interpretation that turn that into "my bad side did it"

Judging from this sneak peek, Oded Fehr is quickly improving as Jafar. One thing he didn't really show in his first episode was the underlying seething anger and hatred that Naveen Andrews gave Jafar even in his calm, polite moments, but he definitely has that down here. Can't wait to see more.

And it looks like we now get to see what happened to Agrabah after Jafar captured its old sultan (his father)...he put Jasmine's father, whom he has under mind control, on the throne and is basically ruling Agrabah by proxy, and naturally terrorizing its people. That's where Aladdin comes in to be its savior.

edited 21st Oct '16 5:29:27 PM by Isaac_Heller

Yeah, Oded Fehr is growing on me. Still not as enjoyably evil and Naveen Andrews, but he knows what he's doing. Still kinda funny seeing That One Guy from The Mummy ham it up as a Disney villain. Well, maybe low level ham considering some of the bad guys the show's had.

I really love the Agrabah costuming for Jasmine, but what the hell is Aladdin's accent? Is he from Liverpool? I can't tell if that's a Liverpudlian accent or just really heavy cockney of some sort (additonally, he has strangely voluminous hair). Also, when did Iago become a cockatiel in parrot colours?

I really hope they aren't doing a Rumple retcon on Zelena. I was perfectly happy with her being a good guy in the background. Her little subplot feels very...detached from everything else.