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名無しさん
Ultimately, I think the real bad assumption is that this is a hypothetical which can be reasonably fleshed out without piling on all sorts of bad assumptions in the process. tongue

 177 USAF713, Sat, 8th Oct '11 10:55:03 PM from the United States
I changed accounts.
Touche. [lol]
I am now known as Flyboy.
 178 pagad, Sun, 9th Oct '11 3:38:26 AM from perfidious Albion Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Sneering Imperialist
When I was young (and not co-incidentally just after I had seen Jurassic Park for the first time) I remember having an argument with my dad about which would win - a Tyrannosaurus rex, or a Tiger tank? [lol] Back then I was under the impression that T. rex was an unstoppable killing machine, because films never lie, right?
 179 RL Nice, Sun, 9th Oct '11 7:04:19 AM from a computer.
Bigfoot Puncher
This thread is better suited to the current conversation.
A fistful of me.
名無しさん
[up]Early man had tanks and machine-guns?

waii

edited 9th Oct '11 7:40:18 AM by ekuseruekuseru

 181 RL Nice, Tue, 11th Oct '11 8:59:51 AM from a computer.
Bigfoot Puncher
[up] The general consensus there is that early man could wipe out the dinosaurs with spears. If they could do that, just imagine what such short work we would make of them with modern weapons.

Also, I sometimes wonder why the name Brontosaurus remains so popular, considering that it has been invalid for over a century.
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 182 Karalora, Tue, 11th Oct '11 10:38:06 AM from San Fernando Valley, CA Relationship Status: In another castle
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[up]Because it's more colorful and euphonious than Apatosaurus.

I still stand by my proposal of leaving Apatosaurus as the Linnaean name but using brontosaurus as the common name. Kind of like how most people know Ornithorhynchus as the platypus even though Platypus was discredited as its Linnaean name shortly after being assigned.
 183 RL Nice, Tue, 11th Oct '11 11:20:10 AM from a computer.
Bigfoot Puncher
As far as I can tell, all (non-avian) dinosaurs are known by their genus names. In fact, the only prehistoric animals I can think of that have common names are sabertooth cats, wooly mammoths, wooly rhinos and giant ground sloths.
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 184 Karalora, Tue, 11th Oct '11 1:40:38 PM from San Fernando Valley, CA Relationship Status: In another castle
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Who says it has to stay that way?
 185 Bobby G, Tue, 11th Oct '11 2:26:24 PM from the Silvery Tay
vigilantly taxonomish
I grew up knowing Apatosaurus as Apatosaurus, and Brontosaurus sounds kind of clumsy and silly to me.

I kinda think we should keep Predator X as a common name, though. The scientific name will have to be pretty badass to top that.
 186 RL Nice, Tue, 11th Oct '11 4:12:38 PM from a computer.
Bigfoot Puncher
I'm sure there are some pretty badass Latin name possibilities out there. I for one think they should just translate Predator X to Latin and make that the scientific name.
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 187 Karalora, Tue, 11th Oct '11 10:34:32 PM from San Fernando Valley, CA Relationship Status: In another castle
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Isn't "predator" already a Latin-based word? It looks structured along the same lines as "senator."

I would also like to point out that no less an authority than STEPHEN JAY GOULD preferred "brontosaurus" over "apatosaurus." So nanny nanny boo boo, haters.

edited 12th Oct '11 11:26:49 AM by Karalora

[up]Might not be a coicidence.
 
From Andrew Sullivan Dish :

Giant prehistoric krakens may have sculpted self-portraits using ichthyosaur bones

paleontologist Mark Mc Menamin of Mount Holyoke College says :

We hypothesize that the shonisaurs were killed and carried to the site by an enormous Triassic cephalopod, a "kraken, " with estimated length of approximately 30 m, twice that of the modern Colossal Squid Mesonychoteuthis. In this scenario, shonisaurs were ambushed by a Triassic kraken, drowned, and dumped on a midden like that of a modern octopus. Where vertebrae in the assemblage are disarticulated, disks are arranged in curious linear patterns with almost geometric regularity. Close fitting due to spinal ligament contraction is disproved by the juxtaposition of different-sized vertebrae from different parts of the vertebral column. The proposed Triassic kraken, which could have been the most intelligent invertebrate ever, arranged the vertebral discs in biserial patterns, with individual pieces nesting in a fitted fashion as if they were part of a puzzle. The arranged vertebrae resemble the pattern of sucker discs on a cephalopod tentacle, with each amphicoelous vertebra strongly resembling a coleoid sucker. Thus the tessellated vertebral disc pavement may represent the earliest known self‑portrait.

http://io9.com/5848192/

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2011AM/finalprogram/abstract_197227.htm

Unlikely to be true, but very interesting.

Adveho in mihi Lucifer
That was a "troll paper"; sometimes academics submit bullshit so that they can laugh at the stupidity of the publishers.
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 191 USAF713, Wed, 12th Oct '11 4:38:02 AM from the United States
I changed accounts.
"Why does this sound like total bullshit?"

...

"Uh... it's got 30 years of research behind it!"

"Oh, that's ok, then."
I am now known as Flyboy.
EDIT: Nevermind!

edited 13th Oct '11 8:38:09 PM by Locksley20

 
 193 Clarste, Fri, 14th Oct '11 5:56:50 AM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Three Steps
I grew up knowing Apatosaurus as Apatosaurus, and Brontosaurus sounds kind of clumsy and silly to me.

Brontosaurus makes me think of an old black and white monster movie using obviously fake stop-motion spliced with an actress screaming.

Apatosaurus sounds pretty graceful, really.

...and apparently Firefox's spellcheck only recognized Brontosaurus as a word.

edited 14th Oct '11 5:57:17 AM by Clarste

 194 loganlocksley, Fri, 14th Oct '11 10:10:54 AM from On the ceiling
Occasionally Smart
This is interesting:

Nevermind, I can't post links and apparently posting one negates my entire post. IO 9 has an interesting article on T. Rex's size. Check it out.

Just watched the latest ep of Planet Dinosaur last night. Awesome. I love Sarcosuchus! And Carcharodontosaurus. Only nitpick I have is they said Mapusaurus is bigger than T. Rex, but I couldn't find any other sources that agreed. Sarcosuchus rules! Or, at least it did.

edited 14th Oct '11 10:11:54 AM by loganlocksley

He's like fire and ice and rage. He's ancient and forever. He burns at the centre of time. Rory punched him in the face.
Adveho in mihi Lucifer
Carcharodontosaurus and Mapusaurus (well carcharodontosaurids in general) are longer and taller than T. rex, but they are not as heavy.
A single phrase renders Christianity a delusional cult
 196 loganlocksley, Fri, 14th Oct '11 11:38:26 AM from On the ceiling
Occasionally Smart
I knew that about Carcharodontosaurus, but all the info I found on Mapusaurus said it was shorter in length as well. It was just Wikipedia though so it was probably just wrong or outdated. Thanks for the info.

I like Carcharodontosaurus a lot more than T. Rex - probably because it was the first theropod I heard of that was bigger than T. Rex.

It's been interesting learning about different hunting styles on Planet Dinosaur - 'slashers' like Mapusaurus and Carcharodontosaurus, 'crushers' like Daspletosaurus and other tyrannosaurids, 'grippers' like Majungasaurus, and Allosaurus' unique axe-like bite.
He's like fire and ice and rage. He's ancient and forever. He burns at the centre of time. Rory punched him in the face.
Adveho in mihi Lucifer
The last episode of Planet Dinosaur has aired, and it showed one of my favourite animals: the giant pterosaur Hatzegopteryx, doing exactly what I hoped it would do: killing the dwarf island dinosaurs!

Take that, dinosaurs! Pterosaurs rule!
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 198 Bobby G, Mon, 24th Oct '11 1:21:50 PM from the Silvery Tay
vigilantly taxonomish
I found Hatzegopteryx genuinely unnerving. Might just be the scariest predator that ever lived. Thankfully it's dead.
 199 RL Nice, Mon, 24th Oct '11 1:34:27 PM from a computer.
Bigfoot Puncher
Hasn't it been suggested that Hatzegopteryx is in fact a misidentified Quetzalcoatlus?
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 200 Bobby G, Mon, 24th Oct '11 1:43:32 PM from the Silvery Tay
vigilantly taxonomish
It has, yes.

Although when Planet Dinosaur is going around inventing names for tyrannosaurids and pretending they're genuine, they're unlikely to be fussed about having used what will possibly become a junior synonym.
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