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I'm confused, does the Iranian government want the USA to declare war? Up until this they had at least a case for moral high ground if the USA imposed sanctions, but actively sending troops to American waters erodes that stance significantly.
Even from a "You send troops near us, we send them near you" mentality, this hardly strengthens Iranian popularity abroad, does it?
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Actually, the USA hasn't declared war in a long time, strictly speaking. It's just not done anymore.
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Either all talk, or they're trying to copy North Korean brinkmanship. Either way Iran is going to come out of this with a pineapple shoved up its arse.
edited 27th Sep '11 4:39:19 PM by Shichibukai
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Pineapple nothing, saguaro cactus.
That is fucking stupid (stupid revolutionary guard)
I can imagine the US sinking the ships out of fear the carry nuclear weapons.
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I can imagine the US Navy response.
"Ships? What ships? I can't see them past the bow of my fucking supercarrier, you jackasses! Get the hell out of my water before I blow you straight to the fucking moon and you can look at my goddamned flag—planted on the MOON!"
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My initial response was "Iran has a navy?"
In any case... I don't think this will go anywhere. As long as they're not shooting, we'll probably just watch them. No one has anything to gain by actually firing at each other.
Gristknife
I like the idea of a carrier running over the Iranian fleet and the Admiral offering a sincere and heartfelt apology since he had no clue that they were even there.
What's the Iranian Navy look like anyways? A handful of destroyers?
Let's see:
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- 3 Russian subs, Kilo class and aging.
- 12 Homemade ones with another on the way.
- 4...snrk North Korean subs.
- 3 Destroyers 2 Old US models and one British.
- 5 Frigattes of various class and manufacture
- 4...corvettes? That's still a classs?
- 24 missile boats, 10 of them belonging to the Revolutionary Guards and of recent Chinese manufacture.
- Various patrol craft
- 2 Mine layers
- A handful of hovercraft and WWII landing craft
- 27 Support craft of various makes and manufacture, most with light defensive armament.
edited 27th Sep '11 4:59:13 PM by HungryJoe
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Ok. We get it. The Iraninan Navy is no match to the US.
But maybe we are being a bit condescendent about it.
edited 27th Sep '11 4:51:34 PM by Baff
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What's with that term anyway? I mean, you'd almost expect them to go around creaming: "EXTERMINATE, EXTERMINATE". Same for Ironmen, you'd expect them to be Transformers or something...
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No such thing. They're literally the stupidest fucks on Planet Earth if they think this is a good idea. Even North Korea isn't this ridiculously idiotic. That's just sad.
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OK, so in an attempt to save the thread from pointlessness, what should we talk about? It just seems like the Iranian government is either a) trolling and/or trying to provoke the American government into action, or b) making a misguided attempt to make a point about American intervention in territory near them.
At least, that's what I'm getting from the press release pointing out that American ships have been in the Persian Gulf before...
edited 27th Sep '11 4:54:58 PM by cadeonehalf
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Why misguided? Actually, since the US have no trouble getting into other's waters, we should return the hospitality and let them in from time to time. If they dare to shoot us... well, its a chance to try our railguns on them. It's not that they won't know what hit them, they won't know they were even hit in the first place.
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My prediction: They're going to approach American waters and be intercepted by a Nimitz that will give them a mean look. Odds are, the Iranian Navy (without air support since they got no carriers) ain't going to pick a fight with a nuclear supercarrier, so they'll back the fuck down and go back to Iran.
In short? Pointless saber-rattling is pointless.
The US can field a supercarrier for every ship they can field over the size of a corvette.
edited 27th Sep '11 5:04:22 PM by SavageHeathen
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Gristknife
In a one-on-one conflict with Iran, the US would win.
Even if they had Nukes the only strategically or tactically viable targets for them would be Iranian cities that have fallen behind US lines, although an EMP strike would be a possible goal.
In a naval confrontation, they'd be lucky to shoot down planes let alone sink a ship.
This is just posturing, and maybe some pointed criticism. I don't think it's brinksmanship, at least not in the North Korean style. They're not that dumb.
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I said misguided because when the USA put troops in the Persian Gulf, it was regarding our interests in countries ALSO on the gulf, such as Iraq or Kuwait. Iran isn't at war with Canada or Mexico, so moving their Navy to the Atlantic doesn't have that guise of "We're just passing through" that American movements in the Persian Gulf had. I'm not saying they don't have a point, but that returning the favor when the scenarios aren't the same doesn't help their national interests, it actually hurts their reputation abroad.
I mean, Iran doesn't have a lot of international support (more than North Korea, sure, but that's hardly saying much), so I can't imagine a situation where you would even risk provoking the American Military. As much as it displeases me, there's a substantial portion of this country that has been calling for war against Iran for a while.
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Then the US Navy is doing it wrong. The point of a carrier is not to walk up to your enemy's face at sea and give stern looks (that's what battleships are for!), the point of a carrier is BVR strike capabilities.
The clever thing the US Navy could do is put a few Seawolfs under their group and pop up in the middle for a friendly surprise.
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If I were a US Admiral, I would have them buzzed by low-flying F/A-18s really early in the morning.
Nothing like the smell of jet fuel in your face in the morning...
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^^^Suddenly I miss the deck guns...
Or we could just zap 'em with AEGIS radars and send them home with millions in broken electronics and maybe a couple of skin growths they might want to have checked out.
edited 27th Sep '11 5:08:54 PM by HungryJoe
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That'd be exactly what they expect. Please don't fantasize about showing off power. That power cost a lot of money to get, a money that could have saved many, many lives, and improved many others. Please don't identify with the power this military has. Every shot, every man on the field, and, especially, every bomb or missile or piece of hardware firing, it's a lot of money we are throwing away. I wouldn't like us to do that just for the sake of showing off. People already know our power.
This is going to end well.
I guess Iran wants attention.
Also, looking at Habibollah Sayari's speech the United States has been demoted from "The Great Satan" to the "Global Oppression".
"The Navy of the Iranian Army will have a powerful presence near the United States borders," read the headline of the story, in Farsi.
"Commander of the Navy of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Iran broke the news about the plans for the presence of this force in the Atlantic Ocean and said that the same way that the world arrogant power is present near our marine borders, we, with the help of our sailors who follow the concept of the supreme jurisprudence, shall also establish a powerful presence near the marine borders of the United States," the story said. The reference to the "world arrogant power" was presumably intended to refer to the United States.
IRNA cited the force's website as saying that the announcement was made by Adm. Habibollah Sayari on the 31st anniversary of the Iran-Iraq war.
State-run Press TV said Sayari had announced similar plans in July. In February, two Iranian Navy ships traversed the Suez Canal in the first such voyages by Iranian ships since 1979.
U.S. Defense Department officials had no immediate reaction to Tuesday's announcement. The United States has deployed fleets to the Persian Gulf in the past.
State-run Press TV, citing IRNA, said Tuesday's announcement came as Iran also plans to send its 16th fleet of warships to the Gulf of Aden to protect Iranian vessels and oil tankers from pirates, who have hijacked dozens of ships and exchanged their crews for ransom.
The Islamic Republic has repeatedly assured that its military might poses no threat to other countries, stating that Tehran's defense doctrine is based only on deterrence, Press TV reported in a story in July about the deployment of submarines to international waters.
Sorry for posting two threads here in one day.
edited 27th Sep '11 4:33:19 PM by Pentadragon