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joyflower Since: Dec, 1969
#76: Sep 26th 2011 at 10:02:40 AM

Lawyer@It's a bad case of Completly Missing The Point and besides I think Christians should be continuing to have a good relationship with the Jewish people.

Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
Is that cake frosting?
#77: Sep 27th 2011 at 8:07:17 AM

In that case, those involved in carrying out the crucifixion were doing so in accordance with God's will and plan. Even Judas betraying Jesus was "all part of the plan".
It was all part of a plan. I know not what would have happened had the leaders of the Temple accepted His message, or had Judas not betrayed, or had Pilate not committed a gross abuse of the very laws (deeply imperfect though that they were) that he was sworn to serve; but all of these people had a choice, definitely, and they made a rather substandard one.

If I remember correctly, for example, there is a passage (but I am not going to find and cite it) in which Jesus complains about the poor acceptance of His messages and implies that, had things gone otherwise, He might have been able to prevent the future destruction of Jerusalem (and for Jews, and for Jesus in particular, this of course was extremely Serious Business).

edited 27th Sep '11 8:10:01 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
Argon2 Since: Nov, 2012
#78: Nov 22nd 2023 at 4:36:56 AM

I kinda like that the Jews are special to God. He loves everyone enough, and it makes sense that one's actions (to a degree) impact their relationship with Him. A God who loved everyone equally- unchangingly- would feel less...human to me, if that makes sense. His judgments are fair, so different affections outside of that are just fine. And I never understood all that Tabernacle priest stuff anyway.

I don't see the Bible as saying that Jews are bad, quite the opposite. It's a whole story about them doing what no other group could, even if some individuals dropped the ball sometimes. Their specialness to God may have been by grace, not works, but they've definitely done a hell of a lot of works.

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