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artman40 Since: Jan, 2001
#1: Sep 7th 2011 at 11:52:19 PM

First Dark Reprise was meant for only songs with lyrics in them. Now, it seems to be "Cheerful song or main theme played slowly or minor key". What to do?

Fiwen9430 Since: Apr, 2010
#2: Sep 8th 2011 at 3:48:13 AM

I don't see this as a problem. What applies to songs can equally apply to instrumental versions of said songs. A dark reprise is simply a repetition of something that has gone before, but in a more sombre way. Since the dark reprise is most common in musicals, it makes sense that the definition more closely pertains to them, but I don't see any reason why it can't apply to other media too.

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#3: Sep 8th 2011 at 8:49:41 AM

Not a problem. Instrumental music has equal right to reprises as do vocal songs.

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artman40 Since: Jan, 2001
#4: Sep 8th 2011 at 9:05:59 AM

Guess trope description and laconic entry needs to be changed then.

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#5: Sep 8th 2011 at 9:19:49 AM

Based on cleaning up the Dr Horrible page a while back, we should probably make it clear that it has to be an actual reprise of a specific entire song, not just a tweaked repeat of a leitmotif or a single verse/line.

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MangaManiac Since: Aug, 2010
#6: Sep 8th 2011 at 10:14:50 AM

@artman: What part of the Laconic needs to be changed? An instrumental can still be upbeat.

Routerie Since: Oct, 2011
#7: Sep 23rd 2011 at 7:53:08 PM

A different issue: I think we should split off "Sarcastic Echo."

According to the current article, a Dark Reprise can take two forms. One is the "sarcastic echo." The second is the "dark reprise."

Something's clearly wrong there.

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#8: Sep 23rd 2011 at 9:00:21 PM

[up]Some other tropes were created in that silly way. The first attempt at troping Valley Girl mixed it up with hippie speak and Surfer Dude slang.

I'm all for splitting off "Sarcastic Echo", except for the name which sounds deceptively similar to Ironic Echo and a few other non-musical tropes. Sarcastic Second Verse, perhaps...

Gillespie Talkative Loon from Western Canada Since: Sep, 2011
#9: Sep 24th 2011 at 1:07:47 AM

How about just Sarcastic Reprise then?

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artman40 Since: Jan, 2001
#10: Sep 24th 2011 at 1:56:32 AM

Maybe this trope needs to be split?

Fiwen9430 Since: Apr, 2010
#11: Sep 24th 2011 at 2:14:47 AM

Sarcastic Reprise sounds good to me, except for the fact that the definition given for the sarcastic echo is that the 2 singers are in a duet, with one sarcastically echoing the other's sentiments. Granted, not all the examples fit that, so maybe the definition needs to be changed there.

edited 24th Sep '11 2:19:30 AM by Fiwen9430

Routerie Since: Oct, 2011
#12: Sep 24th 2011 at 3:21:48 AM

Sarcastic Reprise sounds like it's a reprise to an earlier piece. Sarcastic Echo, from the examples, is a about a single piece with multiple parts, one sarcastic or dark.

artman40 Since: Jan, 2001
#13: Sep 24th 2011 at 4:23:08 AM

Maybe Sarcastic Reprise should be made into a new trope?

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#14: Sep 24th 2011 at 2:39:46 PM

Why? We don't have any examples of a Sarcastic Reprise. I don't think I've ever seen one in media. We don't split things just because you like the title.

Sarcastic Echo is an actual trope, but it's not a reprise.

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