SlutWalk

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What are your thoughts? Feminist? Anti-feminist? Missing the point? Buying into objectification?

While I appreciate the message, I can't personally see parading around in your miniskirt and bra as terribly empowering. Those kinds of clothes have a purpose - and that purpose is highly sexualized. Even though no outfit should be a catalyst for rape, it's disingenuous to me to try to divorce the slutty look from its primary purpose - to attract males for meaningless sex.

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

Well, you know, wearing a skirt shorter than eight inches below your knees was once highly sexual for women, so I'm okay with how they're handling it and the message.

edited 4th Sep '11 8:42:42 PM by MarquiseSMindfang

" You maybe. Now me? Oooh Ms. Mindfang. Let's do it." -Aon

What's the ideal they're trying to achieve? That men they aren't attracted to will react like pious monks at the sight of them in miniskirts and exposed lacy bras, so that only men they are attracted to (i.e. alphas) will react to their attire the way it's designed for and hit on them?

“Love is the eternal law whereby the universe was created and is ruled.” — St. Bernard

The current misconception that men can't control themselves based on how women dress. The idea has been holding rather strong in a depressingly large number courts and so it ultimately blames the woman for what a man did. In short, no one gets dressed to be raped.

" You maybe. Now me? Oooh Ms. Mindfang. Let's do it." -Aon

I'd say...as long as people are willing to own up to their behavior *

then this movement has merit.

What a woman wears has no bearing on whether rape was or was not committed...however, one does wonder what said woman had in her head while she was wearing the previously mentioned outfit in a bad part of town.

If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~

Is the appropriate action for men who see women in a lacy bra and miniskirt to rape them?

edited 4th Sep '11 8:50:22 PM by OhSoIntoCats

Also are they going to dress that way with children watching because if they do I think angry mothers will complain.It might be becuase I have Christian values but those women need to show women power in a different way.I mean walking for Breast Cancer is showing the power of women to overcome one of the deadliest diseases known to women kind.

@Mindfang: The point isn't how sexual is defined; the point is that they deliberately dress that way and claim ignorance at the reaction of males they do not find attractive. The same would hold true whether the cultural marker is a tube top or a bare ankle.

edited 4th Sep '11 8:51:19 PM by kashchei

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

Well, the purpose was to help stop the stigma against women wearing "slutty" clothes or acting like "a slut".

I don't think they're trying to divorce acting like a slut from doing things to attract Male Gaze, I think they're trying to make the point that acting like a slut is not a bad thing, and it shouldn't be used as an excuse for rape.

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian

I think that is the point — just because a woman attracts Male Gaze does not mean that she is free game to rape.

edited 4th Sep '11 8:52:01 PM by OhSoIntoCats

No woman deserves to get raped for how she dresses, but the telos of dressing like that is to get hit on by men who want casual sex, and that includes getting hit on by men they don't find attractive. You can't cry "Sexual harassment! Rape culture!" every time a man hits on you who has the audacity to not be alpha.

“Love is the eternal law whereby the universe was created and is ruled.” — St. Bernard

@Drunk G: You're conflating dressing and acting where the distinction is very relevant. Acting like a slut (I'm assuming you mean the spectrum between groping on the dance floor and engaging in foreplay in the hallway outside of the bathroom) is playing with fire. Dressing like a slut is looking like an idiot to signal to guys that you're available and that you will not repulse their advances. There is nothing inherently wrong with being promiscuous, but dressing to signal promiscuity and being surprised that you're treated as loose is ludicrous.

@Rott: I'm not sure what this alpha shit is. Usually, I don't like to be hit on by people I don't find physically attractive. It's got nothing to do with a person's character or attitude.

edited 4th Sep '11 8:55:50 PM by kashchei

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

Heck,I am a woman and I am against the idea of wearing slutty clothing as empowerment.I think its the reverse saying that all your worth is in your sex appeal.

I think real woman empowerment is using you skills to make the world a better place.Example Mother Teresea,Florence Nightingale,Rosa Parks,Susan B. Anthony,etc.

And I think regardless of what you are wearing a rapist will rape you anyway because he is an evil dick.

edited 4th Sep '11 8:56:31 PM by jazzflower14

What was Rosa Parks' skill? Laziness?

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

I think you mean "He is an evil duck."

“Love is the eternal law whereby the universe was created and is ruled.” — St. Bernard

So if you dress promiscuously and you tell a guy no, that guy has the right to keep bothering you?

Fuck it then, next time I'm going out I'm going out in a niqab.

edited 4th Sep '11 8:57:38 PM by OhSoIntoCats

No, by any means. I just don't see the point in being annoyed as hell at the attention.

I have, however, noticed that if I go to a club wearing jeans and a top without any cleavage showing, rarely anyone will bother me. Cover up just a tiny bit, and it sends the signal that you're not interested.

edited 4th Sep '11 8:59:50 PM by kashchei

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

The bus incident wasn't laziness but she was sick and tired about be treated like a second class citizen.There might have been lots of people before her that did the same defiance but her defiance led to the Montgomery Bus Boycott and she was a great figure during the Civil Rights Movement after she got out of jail.

edited 4th Sep '11 9:00:02 PM by jazzflower14

@Kash: I could have sworn I wrote "acting/dressing". Oh well.

You'll also find that "dressing like a slut" is highly subjective, depending on where you are in the country, and who you are.

For example: In southern California, walking around in cutoff shorts and a bikini top is acceptable. In the town I grew up in, walking around in a shirt that showed cleavage was "dressing like a slut".

Edit: I'd also like to clarify that I don't like women who buy into the rape culture bullshit. If you're going out to look for a good time, don't get all bitchy when someone can't read your mind about what you want in a partner.

edited 4th Sep '11 9:00:43 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian

Slightly off-topic, but Rosa Parks refusing to move was a planned event used to draw attention to racial injustice, not some random woman happening to be "sick and tired".

Back on-topic, I'd say, by way of analogy, wearing a shirt with a giant target on the back is no excuse for a sniper to shoot you. However, if people start throwing little pieces of paper or other small, harmless objects at you, that's just a risk you take.

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko

Not true. Her protest was spontaneous, not orchestrated.

Good analogy, however.

edited 4th Sep '11 9:11:12 PM by kashchei

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

While I don't think you should place blame on a rape victim because of the way she dresses, telling her not to dress like a hooker is pretty common fucking sense.

Don't walk around half naked, and you won't be tempting fuckin fate. Yes, you totally have the right to walk around dressed like that, but you'll be the first target on the list walking down the street if a rapist is scoping out targets.

Might not be their fault, but they are making themselves targets.

And half the women who go on Slut Walks are the type who make me think they shouldn't be allowed to dress like that in the first place.. Most rapists have better standards than a hambeast in a miniskirt, I hope.

Ah, delicious misogyny.

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

"Slut" is a term that begs for some redefinition. I posted about this in the "Pick Up Art" thread (I'm too lazy to link, so go and read).

Any time someone creates a pejorative term, the people it's aimed at ought to swallow said term and make it their own. History bears this out to be effective...Go ahead and look up the etymology of "Bad Ass" if you doubt me.

If "Slut" means "having lots of casual sex and loving it", make that activity a good thing rather than a bad thing (and yes, anyone can do this...just do it and get in the faces of anyone who says different). That'll make "dressing like a slut" popular faster than anyone can shake a really big stick at.

If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~

Self-thump.

edited 13th Dec '11 8:13:35 PM by USAF713

I am now known as Flyboy.