Hitler and Christianity

Hitler the guy has been called an athiest,a Christian(Catholic)or neither.I have a theory the reason he used Christian language in many of his speeches and even in his book Mein Kempf is that he needed to uproot Christianity first by being friendly instead of venoumous.Yes,he kept his enemy close as can be so he can backstab it when the time was right.He also made Positive Chrisianity which is take away all of Christianity he did not like.Towards the end of his life even then he walked away from Positive Christianity believing Germany needed no god.

All I can say that he wanted Nazism to replace Christianity in Germany and if that's the case then his religion was Nazism;yep that obvious.

I'm not sure what you mean here. I mean, just because he was Christian doesn't mean he has to reflect all of religion. Is this the issue where Middle Eastern terrorists are Muslim and okay with Islam, but any Christian that was bad was clearly not Christian? I know it's a sort of values dissonance but one man's crime should not affect his affiliations like that. It's practicing guilt by association and is why we don't do that because it doesn't actually mean anything.

Hitler defiantly not a Christian and most of all even though he was never excommunicated he was always very hostile to the faith.I am just saying that's there great evidence he wasn't one.I know there has been some evil Christians but Hitler wasn't one.That's why I believe his relgion was really Nazism.

edited 2nd Sep '11 9:30:52 AM by joyflower

Why is he definitely not a Christian? He was backed by the Church until he backstabbed them, so they seemed to think that despite everything, he was Christian enough?

Isn't one of the core beliefs in Christianity that we are all in some way flawed and are sinners?

That he would destroy Christianity is now considered an hoax. However, he did made it very clear that he did not think high of it anyway, but did not care much so long as he was in power.

Nazi mysticism involves many spiritual traditions based on abrahamic, hindu and norse religions.

A single phrase renders Christianity a delusional cult

The thing is if he read any books on him is that he had always a thing against the church since his youth and he thought that Christianity was for the meek and weak.He only supported it because he could get close to it and then backstab it.He also tried to make his own Positive Christianity which strips Christianity of many features mainly its Jewish background.I think what he wanted to do with Nazism is to make Germany into a race of gods.So,he defiantly wasn't a athiest but a person who worshipped a twisted sense of human perfection.

I don't really think it is fully false but he really seemed to want from what I have seen to get rid of it so Nazism can take its place.

edited 2nd Sep '11 9:37:36 AM by joyflower

The guy appears like kinda an opportunist, at best adhering to some tenets of the faith out of habit, but hardly believing in it. Once he gets into politics, he doesn't strike me a Christian too much. But that's my image of it, I may be wrong.

"Atheism is the religion whose followers are easiest to troll"

As long as it's clear that he was a creationist and that his ideas didn't reflect or accurately portray the theory of evolution, I'm cool.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.

That's what I am saying I have finally figured him out he was not an athiest at all but a guy with a god complex and saw that Germany could become a nation of blue eyed and blond gods through Nazism.All I can say is it keeps reminding me of that Jim Jones guy who for years took the guise of a peacher but then disgarded the Christian faith in order to promote a cult centered on him.Yep,all I can say Nazism is really a god complex politcal system.

Now that I think about it he would in essence be creationist in a sense that he believed himself to be a god who would create the perfect race.I would take it with a grain of salt that he was creationist believing God created mankind because it seems in Mein Kempf he would need to lure in German Christians.I also think that he took some principles from some but not all evolitionary studies.I mean eugenics and his pratice of making a master race.Remember Mein Kempf is a propaganda tool and most of that creationist sounding stuff was probably to lure in Christians who probably did believe in creationism.All I can say is that the man was the definition of magnificent Bastard!

edited 2nd Sep '11 9:58:06 AM by joyflower

Mein Kampf*

^{Potholing this to Grammar Nazi would be to obvious...}

Programming and surgery have a lot of things in common: Don't start removing colons until you know what you're doing.

Mein Kampf or My Struggle as I remember he wrote that evil book in prison.I don't know about you and if time travel was possible I would warn the church not to vote this man into office and show him that he is really using them for his evil purposes.The more I read about Hitler the scarier he becomes to really outdoing any fictional villian and makes him appear more like a complete monster.

".I mean eugenics and his pratice of making a master race."

Which as pointed out multiple times has nothing to do with evolution.

A single phrase renders Christianity a delusional cult

I sort of agree with this, even if it wasn't quite that simple.

I think the only person who knew what Hitler truly believed was Hitler.

With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.

Hey,Humanity has always tried to become gods and Hitler was just one of many to try it and he caused millions of deaths in order to achieve his race of god people.Twisted and Sick and not describe this man.

Mit brennenden Sorge, that's how that papal encyclic was called? Or did I misspell it. The Catholic Church was relatively hostile to NSDAP and Hitler, as far as I know, perhaps that should have been a case in which the Church actively meddled in politics.*

"Atheism is the religion whose followers are easiest to troll"

Yeah,it was very much a missed opportunity but I have a scary theory that Hitler would then silence them however they might have fought back against this evil government.

Mit brennender Sorge (With burning concern)

edited 2nd Sep '11 10:16:07 AM by Lock

Programming and surgery have a lot of things in common: Don't start removing colons until you know what you're doing.

I seem to recall the Catholic Church being one of the main bastions of opposition to the T4 euthanasia programme.

edited 2nd Sep '11 10:18:37 AM by pagad

With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.

Defenders of the then-pope-ing Pope (Pius XII was that, wasn't he?) claim that he didn't condemn Hitler and Nazism more strongly because he feared that would make them clamp down on Church institutions, which actually did a job hiding the Jews. 'Course, the accusers claim it's an excuse.

edit: thx Lock, there are limits to my knowledge of German grammar.

edited 2nd Sep '11 10:22:30 AM by lordGacek

"Atheism is the religion whose followers are easiest to troll"

I also remember that Pope Benedict was forced to be apart of Hitler's Youth when he was young.That is going to mess you up for a lifetime.I also remember the reason why Hitler hated Christianity was because he thought it was horrible invention by the Jews made to weaken his perfect race.This might be fetchy but I have my money that Hitler wanted to start a war with God so he could take his place.

This. Keep in mind that Christians need not be creationist, and creationists need not be Christian. That would be a serious case of Citation Needed, friend.

Anyways, what about the rest of the Nazi Party? There had to be some believers in there, you wouldn't get "Gott Mitt Uns" (or however it's spelled) on the caps without it.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.

I was thinking that many in the upper parts were nonrelgious and the lower it was sorta of a mixed bag of people who were religious or non relgious.Although I have a feeling any Christian who opposed the Nazis were very much given a very gruesome fate.

Still wondering if he really believed the creationist part or its another example of his bull that used for propaganda.

edited 2nd Sep '11 10:34:39 AM by joyflower

Reposting here:

(skip to 7:20 for the smackdown)

Three more videos on the erroneous association of evolution of racism.

He described himself as a Christian creationist in private correspondence and discussion with higher ranking Party members, so if he wasn't, he needed to maintain that image for the sake of keeping the upper Nazi management on board.

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I now have Hitler figured out he was a guy who put wanted to put Nazism as a relgion in order to take down Christianity,the most evil thing to be created by the Jews.The best way to take down an enemy is to go undercover as the enemy.He needed to say the right words in order to get support from the church then he would show his true colors and destroy it once and for all.

Obviously the existence of such a thing as a church or religious community makes for some conflict of loyalty. If you want an all-encompassing State, then it's obvious the religions either have to go or be assimilated.

"Atheism is the religion whose followers are easiest to troll"