But aren't there a lot of uses and references to the phrase that do mean this?
Are people adding parodies of the phrase or something? Because any use of the actual phrase in a straight manner is this trope. Of course other phrases count too, but this phrase also counts right?
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Wow that has like hardly any examples. I'd rerun it through YKTTW for a week or two to get more.
edited 21st Aug '11 5:00:25 PM by NoirGrimoir
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This seems like Rousing Speech for Freedom-oriented or Freedom-defending purposes. I'd even put in a certain speech made by Gandhi's main opponent and argue that it counts.
This may be tropable, it just needs quite a few more fictional examples.
edited 21st Aug '11 5:31:14 PM by DonaldthePotholer
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The description says rousing speeches are just sometimes included.
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No, that implies the enslaved being given a choice, which even then would be I Die Free.
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Depends on who offers the ultimatum.
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...I don't know, the name is really obvious to me, personally. Is this a well-used trope? I've never seen it before...
If not, I think we could just do a clean-up job, and then leave that warning up about how it's not about the phrase, it's about the trope...
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Well "ultimatum" alone doesn't state who is giving it.
Yes, I suggested this trope, and gave it the name, but misuse is there. This is a clear example of naming a trope for a phrase being a bad idea (as the phrase isn't tied to the trope, despite the first use actually meaning that).
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