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They were.

I swear, those two have a weird meta-relationship.

Given the rumours of Aaron Taylor-Johnson playing Bond, Olsen should play a bond girl, Monneypenny, M, or all 3.

I do think he looks the part of Kraven (maybe he's a tad too lean, but he's still very muscular), though ultimately it will be his performance that matters (hopefully it'll be good).

Edited by king15 on Apr 14th 2024 at 6:08:43 PM

Considering Wanda and Pietro's relationship in the Ultimate universe, you could take that as a bit of method acting.

Call it shots fired, but I'm personally glad that the MCU didn't idolize the Ultimate Marvel continuity, merely using it as a launching point for some things. I liked how progressively purple Hawkeye became, I like how Thanos returned to his roots of being Iron Man's arch nemesis, I like that they did all of the Jack Kirby goodness with Thor: Ragnarok, and in a vein admirably similar to DC's Aquaman and Shazam, I adore how… shameless the Guardians of the Galaxy Trilogy was, with its 70's-to-80's comicbook-y glory, the heart, the soul, the humor, and The Groot. I like how it took the middle ground there, being realistic about things… but also making it clear that Real Life Is Weird, and emphatically NOT apologizing when it itself went weird as well. At its best, it isn't pointlessly edgy… not a complete joke fest either, mind, but we felt like we were learning shit, as the heroes were.

The MCU occasionally leans too much into Bathos and can have subsequent tone issues, but I do agree that it often good at being both grounded and realistic while also being willing to be comic-bookey and fantastical.

Guardians 3 is the perfect example, silly and strange, yet dark, with relationships treated seriously, but these serious relationships are between a sentient racoon and his space buddies. Weird, and yet grounded. Not that full weird or full grounded is bad for a superhero story, but the mix is nice as well.

Edited by king15 on Apr 14th 2024 at 6:56:33 PM

Hey guys, looks like there's a forum dedicated to cleaning up CSP's, and they're reviewing stuff on the MCU at the moment.

Given how involved we are in organizing the character folders, thought you might want to take a look and discuss things.

Who wants to bet that X-Men '97 is going to be claimed as a part of the MCU/Marvel Multiverse umbrella? I know they billed the show as not being apart of the MCU. However, it would seem an odd move to not feature it, considering Disney now owns the right.

Granted Episode 5 did have a certain Marvel Easter Egg. But I won't post it here, due to the 2 week spoiler rule.

I'm betting against this, personally. They finally have a thing at all that has X-Men Mutants front and center again, and they explicitly don't have to put an insane amount of work into explaining why Mutants are a thing, they just roll with it.

And before anyone says something about how this never stopped Marvel before from suddenly explaining in the wacky, crazy space cosmic stuff, Spider-Man swingin' around, or the fact that magic... exists... for some reason, I feel that Mutants are a bigger thing STILL, than all of the above... although having said that, I only just now thought up how they can do that. If they were to find a way to start making Mutants more... The Elephant In The Room, these odd, unusual folks in hiding that the governments of the world are trying to keep hush about, then maybe we can have something worth divulging into.

I mean, it already was part of the Marvel Multiverse, ever since it was announced. Same as the '90s cartoon, and the original comics, for as long as the Marvel Multiverse has existed (starting with the publication of What If? issue 1 back in '76, and further expanded upon with Alan Moore's run on Captain Britain in the early '80s that introduced the multiversal Captain Britain Corps and their universe-numbering system [which is where we got terms like "Earth-616"]).

But as to whether the X-Men TAS/'97 universe will cross over with the MCU, I doubt it (unless the cartoon X-Men have a brief cameo in a battle scene in whatever the end of the Multiverse Saga is). I could see What If...? possibly crossing over with the animated X-Men, or at least doing episodes that explore "what if" scenarios for both the original series and '97 in addition to their usual MCU-what-ifs, but that's about it.

Edited by TrashJack on Apr 15th 2024 at 1:53:15 PM

X-Men '97 also shares a universe with the 90s Spider-Man series, so even if that doesn't happen explicitly then they could be directly connected if Christopher Daniel Barnes's Spidey appears in Beyond the Spider-Verse, which I feel like he will considering his conspicuous absence from Across (reminder that, canonically, Unlimited is not him).

... why would they be part of the same umbrella? They're two different works of fiction with no crossovers or connection.

Ducktales and the Duck Comics are treated as two different umbrellas. Same for every adaptation of Batman or any other superhero. Etc.

Since we're making r-rated movies and even 97 can be pretty brutal, it opens up hope of adaptations of the more brutal stories.

I've long thought an adaptation of Kraven's Last Hunt impossible because of the subject matter but with how mature 97 is, Last Hunt actually seems possible now.

Or the possibility of gaining villains Sabretooth unrestricted. The sheer depravity, the violence, the gore, all the potential to adapt one of the most glorious rivalries in the Marvel Universe.

I've been assuming since the beginning that X-Men 97 is in the same multiverse as the MCU but that doesn't mean that they will crossover. And obviously they are not in the same earth. Not only because mutants would have come up at some point in the MCU but because X-Men:TAS showed some Avengers already active in the 90s.

Damn, if that Spiderman show looks and sounds half as good as 97 then we are waiting for some good shit...

One thing I haven't heard many people talk about is how Jennifer Garner will be returning as Elektra Nachios (for the first time since her spinoff, Elektra) in Deadpool & Wolverine. I originally thought that the Daredevil films were going to be retconned into the X-men universe, but given the film's trailers suggest Deadpool will leave that universe pretty early on, she'll probably be part of the multiversial shenanigans.

This would mean that the Daredevil films, MCU films, X-men films, original Spider-Man trilogy, Amazing Spider-man duology, Sony Cinematic Universe and Spider-verse will all be confirmed as part of the same multiverse and will have all interacted with each other. Cool.

Her part is probably pretty small, but it seems like Deadpool 3 will be referencing all of the Fox made Marvel movies, I'm sure they'll be a Fantastic Four movie reference as well.

I hope there's a brief detour to the Fant4stic universe where we see that Miles Teller's Reed has become The Maker.

I mean, that would unironically work. Miles Teller has that energy.

Michael Douglas wanted Hank to die in Quantunmania.

Edited by Mizerous on Apr 17th 2024 at 9:45:48 AM

I'm glad he wasn't killed. Douglas' reasoning just seems to be that he wanted it to a spectacular special effect thing.

I wouldn't mind seeing Hank die, but I think it should be in an epic act of heroism. If they bring Hank back for Avengers 5, that's where I think it would be a good point for him to leave the role.

Hi, I’d just like to warn this thread that Tom Holland’s Twitter account got hacked by some bit coins and NFT pushers.

Tried to cash in on his role as MCU Spider-Man to attempt to sell Spiderverse NFT shit.

So Holland hasn't fell down that... rabbit hole. Good. I mean, I at least sort of understood when it was at their height (even if I didn't really get them), but getting into that stuff now, I mean, you do you but I don't really get it.

Edited by king15 on Apr 17th 2024 at 7:36:24 PM

So I recently read the whole Gorr the God Butcher saga in the comics and I realize several issues with how Thor 4 handled the story.

For one, I really believe they should have went with an entirely different conflict for the movie. The Gorr story is essentially a nemesis tale, Thor hates Gorr and Gorr hates Thor, and it features their absolutely vicious battle that steadily escalates as both characters face each other in stronger forms and their conflict in philosophies.

The problem is Thor 4 is not a Thor vs Gorr movie, it is a Thor reconnects with Jane Foster movie. Jane's involvement detracts from Gorr's tale because Thor's bond with her is more important than his rivalry with Gorr.

So as a result Gorr goes from a horrific trauma from his past that Thor takes ultra seriously in personally hunting down at all costs, to just some guy that happens to show up and Thor doesn't have much personal stake in dealing with.

Say what you will about Malekith, but at least the dude caused some strife by killing Frigga, and causing Odin to turn back into being a bloodthirsty conqueror.

The most Gorr does is chop off Sif's arm. And she doesn't seem to even care about it that much.