Marvel Cinematic Universe

The main goal of movie reviews isn't to tell viewers "should you support this movie?", it's "is it a good movie?". Now that doesn't mean the former isn't also a question worth answering, and in some cases the critic may believe the answer to both is one and the same, in which case it's their right. But they represent distinct questions.

The same applies to the supposed anti-DC conspiracy. Regardless of preferences in tone, subject matter, or studio handling of directors, most people would agree that even if Marvel's movies are too formulaic and Lowest Common Denominator, they consistently pass technical muster. Hence all the positive reviews. Whereas the same cannot be said of DC's films (for example the debate over BvS's plot holes and Suicide Squad's editing).

Failure to understand this represents a failure to understand how movie reviews work in the first place.

edited 28th Oct '16 2:23:14 AM by AlleyOop

Exactly...despite what some people claim, judging movies isn't entirely subjective. If this were the case, there wouldn't be a thing like "guilty pleasures" or people saying "yeah, I don't really like this movie, but I admit, it is really, really well made". We have certain expectations when we watch a movie. There are directors who subvert those expectations, but the audience is usually able to tell if a movie ignores story-telling conventions deliberately or not.

In the case of the last two DCEU movies, the movies were badly made on a technical level. Especially the editing problems were shocking, and that is fairly basic stuff.

In the case of Doctor Strange, the reviews are hardly glowing, they are basically saying "yeah, this was good, especially because the visuals pushed this on the next level".

edited 28th Oct '16 2:34:24 AM by Swanpride

People often prefer conspiracy theories to more sane explanations that don't support their views. You're a DC fan, it might be hard to believe that their current way of making superhero movies doesn't really work, so obviously, the fault must lie with the critics who dislike them, and also Disney/Marvel, because MCU movies on the whole get better reviews. No point in arguing that neither Disney nor Warner would benefit if the other tanked, or that reviewers might by now suffer from a mild superhero fatigue.

As for the leftist conspiracy theorists, that must be the same group of people who believe that Marvel forced the Russos to cut out all the romance laden scenes between Steve and Bucky in Civil War.

Did those people not watch Civil War? They didn't cut out any romance laden scenes between Steve and Bucky!

Poor Bucky....all he wanted were some plumbs....

I think this is the PERFECT moment to post this:

I wonder....if they ever bring back the one-shots, is there a chance that we get to see what happened in the Beetle on the way from Berlin to Leipzig?

Well, apparently it wasn't touchy-feely enough for some fans, and that combined with Chris Evans saying he thought they cut some of his scenes with Sebastian Stan and the general idea that homophobic Marvel producers were afraid to let Captain America be gay created the myth that some intense smoldering (or whatever) ended up on the cutting floor. Because obviously no scene ever gets cut for like, length. Or pacing. Or because another take worked better.

Still one of the best roadtrips ever.

edited 28th Oct '16 6:15:47 AM by hollygoolightly

I hope we get deleted scenes that show Cap and Bucky interacting in a much LESS homoerotic manner than they did in the movie proper.

Well, it's not my personal interpretation that their interactions were homoerotic, but to each their own. There is a deleted scene on the Blu Ray that has them pass the shield back and forth with Sam during the airport fight. Other than that, I doubt there really are that many deleted scenes, I mean, you have to cut some stuff to get a narrative.

There were some scene planned for Sharon, but apparently never shot (they were mostly there to clarify that she does what she does because she believes in Cap's version of the story and not because she is in love with him), and a fight between Cap and Black Widow which was shot but removed from the movie (even though the part with her looking over the fight was still in the trailer).

If I have one criticism with the movie than that I wish they had lingered on a few moments a little bit longer, like Steve on the stairs after he learns that Peggy is dead.

There are still people who believe there was no moon landing. Sometimes it's best to not indulge ridiculous people.

edited 28th Oct '16 7:24:47 AM by comicwriter

People believe in conspiracy theories to justify that the things they don't like are the result of some shadowy evil force and not common consensus.

There is no massive conspiracy theory to put down Asian people, DC films, and that actor you like who never gets big parts in Hollywood led by Tilda Swinson and Netflix. It's...just a good movie with good acting, while Suicide Squad, Bv S...not so good. There is no privilege to be checked.

A spade is just a spade, and this is from someone who thinks Hollywood should try being more diverse.

Someone got a glimpse of the Valkyrie costume. I like the cape.

Taika Waititi seems to be teasing the Celestials◊. Interesting.

Seriously! They also had very different controversies. The controversy over Dr. Strange was about the whitewashing of an Asian character, while the controversy over Dawn of Justice was about both its titular characters being poorly adapted shitholes. And since more people care about Batman murdering people with guns than about diverse representation or the plight of Tibet, the effects of the one were inevitably going to be much harsher than the other.

I mean, 96% Fresh is pretty overwhelmingly positive. But as noted, it has a lot going for it. The MCU and Benedict Cumberbatch are two guaranteed audiences in and of themselves, before you even get into the film's quality.

Yes, and the three reviews which are already there, well, two are from people who also downgraded Civil War and the third from a woman who has apparently a beef with Cumberbatch. What I meant though is that the Average of the actual rating is not that high. There are a lot of 7 out of 10 reviews, but not a lot 8 or 9 out of 10 reviews.

SJ Clarkson is directing the first two episodes of the Defenders.

After I looked it up I saw she did the first two episodes of Jessica Jones, so I'm all for her directing the first two episodes of Defenders.

As a matter of fact, some of them are. And they're pointing to Civil War (90%) and Doctor Strange (96%) having higher scores than Winter Soldier (89%) as "proof" of the conspiracy. Keep in mind that early reviews for movies on RT tend to be lopsided towards the positive, and most importantly the movie hasn't even come out yet in most theaters. Once it does the rating usually goes down by 5-10% anyway.

, I hope we also get some directors from Luke Cage, because the pacing, cinematography, and dialogue for that show in the first half was excellent.

edited 28th Oct '16 12:03:33 PM by AlleyOop

Oh god. How is she going to stab my soul this time!?

Depends if Sigourney Weaver really is playing Mephisto.

Another look at Valkyrie◊.

+ 4 Well, what was I expecting.

Derrickson wants Nightmare to be the villain in the Strange sequel.

I am mostly interested in seeing whoever did the camera work in Luke Cage doing more.

Does who directs the episodes really affect the plot developments, though? I thought they have a specific script to work with, and just dictate how it gets translated into action?