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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

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#44626: Oct 13th 2015 at 10:30:12 AM

[up][up]I was thinking it would be him stealing the Aether actually. Basically it goes: Guardians 2 has the Guardians failing to keep the Time Stone away from Thanos's forces. Stinger 1 is Quill finding out two of the stones(Soul and Mind) are on Earth. The Guardians then rush off to Earth because they think Thanos will target it next. Stinger 2 is Thanos taking the Aether from the Collector. Infinity War 1 opens with Thanos invading Xandar and getting the Power Stone. Then the rest of the movie is the Avengers and Guardians trying and failing to keep him from getting the other three.

edited 13th Oct '15 10:31:27 AM by Kostya

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44627: Oct 13th 2015 at 10:43:06 AM

Speaking of, I'm still kind of bugged that Age of Ultron doesn't have a post-credits scene, because it's for a totally flimsy reason.

AOU did have a post-credits scene. It was Thanos putting on the Infinity Gauntlet and saying, "Fine, I'll do it myself.

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
The Fastest Man Alive
#44628: Oct 13th 2015 at 10:43:38 AM

I thought James Gunn was pretty clear about the Guardians not being actively involved in Infinity War.

[up] That was mid-credits.

edited 13th Oct '15 10:44:22 AM by BadWolf21

Kostya from Everywhere Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#44629: Oct 13th 2015 at 10:44:51 AM

Then what's the point of introducing them? They said the Guardians and Avengers will team up at some point. When would it happen if it's not during Infinity War?

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
The Fastest Man Alive
#44630: Oct 13th 2015 at 10:48:25 AM

When did they ever say that?

The point of introducing them is to do a Guardians movie. Not every franchise needs to directly link into the Avengers.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44631: Oct 13th 2015 at 10:50:28 AM

I thought James Gunn was pretty clear about the Guardians not being actively involved in Infinity War.

When did he say that? I'm pretty sure they will be involved in Infinity War or at least part two.

That was mid-credits.

Same difference.

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
The Fastest Man Alive
#44632: Oct 13th 2015 at 10:55:42 AM

Excuse you, but it is not the same difference. If it was, then it would have been at the end of the credits. Joss Whedon specifically said that Age of Ultron doesn't have a post-credits scene because people would be expecting something that topped the shawarma scene from the first Avengers, which is a ridiculous reason to my mind.

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#44633: Oct 13th 2015 at 10:56:36 AM

It's hard to top the schwarma scene.

Guardians pulled it off with Howard the Duck and Cosmo, but how do you top Howard the Duck and Cosmo?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44634: Oct 13th 2015 at 10:58:14 AM

Excuse you, but it is not the same difference. If it was, then it would have been at the end of the credits.

The fact that the scene came in the mid-credits makes no difference. It could have easily been the post-credits scene and then there would have been no mid-credits scene.

edited 13th Oct '15 10:58:34 AM by alliterator

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#44635: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:03:43 AM

Which is exactly the point I'm trying to make. I don't need there to be a mid-credits scene. Those have only been a regular feature since Thor: The Dark World. But every movie pre-Age of Ultron except The Incredible Hulk has something at the very end of the credits, and in Hulk's case it's just Early-Installment Weirdness that it doesn't.

It felt like Avengers 2 didn't have one for no real reason at all, and it's disappointing that the tradition was broken for such a non-reason.

edited 13th Oct '15 11:04:04 AM by BadWolf21

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#44636: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:04:00 AM

i don't think we're entitled to a silly end credits scene

Its a fun bonus

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BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
The Fastest Man Alive
#44637: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:04:58 AM

I didn't say I felt entitled to it. I said I was disappointed that there wasn't one at all.

I mean, even The First Avenger didn't have a particularly notable one. But at least it had a preview for The Avengers in it.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44638: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:08:22 AM

So your only objection was the placement? If the scene had come after the credits instead of in the middle, you would have been fine?

What a weird objection.

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#44639: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:14:36 AM

It's always possible that Joss couldn't think of anything good to put at the end of the credits, and didn't want to make audiences wait until the end to see Thanos.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44640: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:36:21 AM

The Thanos scene was disappointing either way. "yeay, he finally left his chair! His legs work!"

You know what they should have done? Showing a stack of the daily bugle with an article about Sokovia and then suddenly some webbing shots at it from off-screen and pulls one newspaper away. It wouldn't have been exactly news or anything, but it would have been a nice little tease.

edited 13th Oct '15 11:38:35 AM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#44641: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:37:54 AM

Gunn says he doesn't THINK they'll be involved but I doubt Gunn is privy to what is exactly going to happen.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#44642: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:40:13 AM

[up]His script has already getting approved by the studio. So he certainly knows what will happen in Got G Vol 2. Infinity war...nobody knows what will happen there until the script are written, and the writers have been busy with Civil war and Agent Carter season 2.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44643: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:41:46 AM

You know what they should have done? Showing a stack of the daily bugle with an article about Sokovia and then suddenly some webbing shots at it from off-screen and pulls one newspaper away. It wouldn't have been exactly news or anything, but it would have been a nice little tease.

Filming was already done by the time the agreement was finished, so there was no way to insert that into the film, unless they just rushed it through. Which I don't think they wanted to do.

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#44644: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:42:03 AM

The plot-important Stinger was moved to the mid-credits so that people wouldn't have to wait all the way through the credits. It's still there, it's just earlier.

A silly bit of humor to reward people for sitting all the way through the credits is neat and harkens back to what Stingers originally were for, but is hardly mandatory. We don't need two Stingers every film, and I'd hate to see the important one pushed back to the end of the credits again.

edited 13th Oct '15 11:42:18 AM by TobiasDrake

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BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#44645: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:45:29 AM

I'd much rather see the important one pushed to the end of the credits again.

You should really be sitting through the credits of movies anyway. A lot of people worked very hard to make sure you could see that film, and the least you can do is watch their names scroll by on the screen for 10 minutes.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44647: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:48:00 AM

You should really be sitting through the credits of movies anyway. A lot of people worked very hard to make sure you could see that film, and the least you can do is watch their names scroll by on the screen for 10 minutes.

The last person I saw make that same speech was a prima donna director in an episode of Entourage. That should tell you something.

The lessen is: the audience doesn't owe anybody anything. If they want to immediately get up because they have to go pee really badly, then they should be able to do that without guilt. Sitting through credits is not mandatory. The post-credits stinger was always used more as a fun easter egg. Even in the original Avengers, the mid-credits scene was Thanos and the post-credits scene was a joke.

edited 13th Oct '15 11:50:07 AM by alliterator

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#44648: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:50:30 AM

"Sure is a bunch of names I'm looking at scrolling on a screen. Don't think I'm going to retain any of this. -funny stinger thing- Now I'm definitely not going to retain any of that previous text. What even is text?"

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TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#44649: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:51:19 AM

Most people who sit through credits don't actually read the credits. At the speed the credits scroll, that's a largely insurmountable task anyway. That period of time is typically spent quietly discussing the movie, checking one's phone, and/or impatiently trying to think of things to think about until the Stinger gets here.

If someone's really bored, they might glance at the credits looking for funny names or jobs, but that's about it.

[nja]

edited 13th Oct '15 11:51:59 AM by TobiasDrake

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#44650: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:51:54 AM

Sometimes I sit through the credits to see if there's anything funny there, like GOTG's "No raccoons or tree people were harmed in the making of this movie."


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