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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#43876: Oct 3rd 2015 at 10:23:53 AM

Was just posted a few pages ago.

Eagal This is a title. from This is a location. Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
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#43877: Oct 3rd 2015 at 10:24:57 AM

Didn't see it, my bad.

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43878: Oct 3rd 2015 at 10:30:17 AM

Nope, that's it. Some people suspect that more are being held back by Disney in order to put out in the Phase 2 Box Set, which makes sense. Lots of deleted scenes were included in the Phase 1 Box Set, apparently.

Do we KNOW Aaron Johnson filmed the New Avengers scene or is it possible they didn't get that far? He's said they definitely wrote an alternate draft where he survives and gets a real costume, but I'm not sure if it was shot or not.

Though the Loki cameo is still missing even though it's confirmed Tom Hiddleston shot it.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43879: Oct 5th 2015 at 10:13:53 AM

Tom Hiddleston explains why Loki was cut from Age of Ultron.

Apparently the sequence was confusing to audiences and people thought the film was implying Loki was controlling Ultron through the Mind Stone.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#43880: Oct 5th 2015 at 10:15:27 AM

This is the first I'm hearing of Loki being in Age of Ultron.

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#43881: Oct 5th 2015 at 10:17:15 AM

Apparently the sequence was confusing to audiences and people thought the film was implying Loki was controlling Ultron through the Mind Stone.

That's a very good reason for cutting him from the film. With as common as the complaints about Loki's overexposure is, miscommunicating to the audience that Loki was controlling Ultron would have resulted in an even greater backlash than the "Black Widow calls herself a monster 'cause she can't have babies" misinterpretation.

edited 5th Oct '15 10:17:23 AM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43882: Oct 5th 2015 at 10:22:21 AM

Totally random thought which has bugged me a while: Hydra doesn't really know the difference between a head and a tail, does it? Based on their symbol their saying should be "Cut off the head two new tail grow back."

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43883: Oct 5th 2015 at 10:24:19 AM

[up][up][up]Idris Elba mentioned before the movie was out that he shot a scene with Tom Hiddleston and then after the movie came out (or close to the release date, I don't remember) someone in an official capacity with the film said Tom had filmed a part for the movie, but got cut during the editing stage.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#43884: Oct 5th 2015 at 10:31:10 AM

[up][up]Depends on if you're talking about hydras or geckos.

Their logo resembles an octopus, so it'd actually be arms.

edited 5th Oct '15 10:31:47 AM by Tuckerscreator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#43887: Oct 5th 2015 at 10:43:22 AM

Could be some mutant strain of earthworm.

edited 5th Oct '15 10:43:39 AM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#43888: Oct 5th 2015 at 10:50:54 AM

Generally speaking, "Cut off one head and two more will take its place!" has always just been empty rhetoric. It has a more badass and inspirational sound than "We Have Reserves so drown them in a sea of our corpses!" but a functionally identical meaning.

Somewhat fitting, as this strategy was fairly popular in WWII.

edited 5th Oct '15 10:51:33 AM by TobiasDrake

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#43889: Oct 5th 2015 at 11:14:39 AM

[up]I also mean for the leadership "kill me, and simply other will take my place" one element of Hydra is that they are a persistent bunch, always growing again and again.

Granted, they should drop the "Hail HYDRA!" that is poor advertisment for your group, I prefer "Hydra dominantus!" of the alpha legion, more to the point.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#43890: Oct 5th 2015 at 11:16:41 AM

I wonder if the MCU will progress long enough for us to see Cassie Lang become Stature. Or, at least, to get a nod to it.

edited 5th Oct '15 11:18:21 AM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#43891: Oct 5th 2015 at 11:26:25 AM

[up] I've said this before, but I'd love for the next stage of the MCU, after Infinity War, would be to focus on the Young Avengers.

edited 5th Oct '15 11:26:36 AM by higherbrainpattern

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#43892: Oct 5th 2015 at 11:31:02 AM

The big downside is that the actress who plays Cassie really is as young as she looks. It'd be a long time before she's old enough to believably portray even a teenager. After Infinity War she'll only be about 11.

Even so, I could see a tense moment in an Ant-Man sequel involving her having to use the Ant-Man tech to become giant, in a similar vein to how IM 3 had Pepper and the President use Iron Man and War Machine Iron Patriot briefly.

And then, if the MCU does go on long enough, then maybe...

edited 5th Oct '15 11:40:45 AM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43893: Oct 5th 2015 at 12:15:51 PM

I am still hoping to see the Secret invasion...but in any case, Phase four should be more or less full if we assume that Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, Got G, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Spider-man and the Inhumans all get a sequel.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#43894: Oct 5th 2015 at 12:41:42 PM

Not necessarily - I mean, Phase 1 and 2 were both six movies, but Phase 3 is set to be ten movies. So Phase 4 could be six to ten movies long - if it was ten movies, they could do that "alternate one old and one new character" they've been doing.

Kostya from Everywhere Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#43895: Oct 5th 2015 at 12:51:55 PM

I'm guessing Phase 4 will be Guardians 3, Avengers 4, sequels to the 5 new series, and one or two new movies.

edited 5th Oct '15 12:52:18 PM by Kostya

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43897: Oct 5th 2015 at 1:24:05 PM

There's also the possibility they won't do a sequel for Ant-Man and instead just fold him into the Avengers franchise like they did for Hulk. Or if any of the other new Phase 3 characters end up as Stillborn Franchises.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#43898: Oct 5th 2015 at 1:25:36 PM

I'd love for Dr. Strange to just get his one movie and that's it. That's all people get.

I would laugh so hard.

edited 5th Oct '15 1:25:49 PM by higherbrainpattern

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#43899: Oct 5th 2015 at 1:43:27 PM

Also regardless I can't imagine there won't be at least one new franchise. They're in the business of generating new IP and have a very deep pool of characters to use.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#43900: Oct 5th 2015 at 1:43:33 PM

Dr. Strange only getting one movie wouldn't bother me. It's the least surprising thing Feige would do.


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