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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

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#25326: Jan 27th 2015 at 6:09:50 PM

Originally that's what I thought but in the second Thor movie Mjolnir starts flying out into space to get back to Thor after he passes through one of the wormholes. If they were in entirely different dimensions it should have just sat there and waited until he reappeared in Midgard. It's probably just a situation where they're in the same universe but they're separated by such vast reaches of space that without the Bifrost travel between them is impractical.

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#25327: Jan 27th 2015 at 7:55:11 PM

I figure it's nine metaphysically linked worlds in the same universe.

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#25328: Jan 27th 2015 at 8:02:07 PM

I assumed Mjolnir flew into space because it had no exception handler for "The user is summoning me, but the user just ceased to exist as far as I can tell". It'd have probably just kept flying in a straight line for all eternity had Thor not wound up back on Midgard.

That or it was flying toward one of those secret passages like Loki used between Asgard and Whatsitcalledheim, which happened to be in space.

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#25329: Jan 27th 2015 at 9:32:14 PM

We definitely saw it turn at least once, and it wouldn't do that if it were just continuing.

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#25330: Jan 27th 2015 at 10:58:02 PM

Huh.

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#25331: Jan 28th 2015 at 4:54:05 AM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the joke was "Mjolnir is taking the long way" so presumably the Nine Realms are actual places in space that just happen to be interconnected by some metaphysical other-dimensional portal/link/mana laylines/tree something or other for some reason.

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#25332: Jan 28th 2015 at 8:05:28 AM

Joss Whedon will direct Captain Marvel

Actually he seemed to suggest he wasn't very enthused about the character, saying her powers are vague and poorly defined.

Which is hilarious because he pushed for Scarlet Witch to be included in the movie, and she probably has the most ridiculously ill-defined set of powers this side of Doctor Strange.

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#25333: Jan 28th 2015 at 8:28:51 AM

Poorly defined compared to, say, Scarlet Witch? Really Mr. Whedon? Have you read her powers? Captain Marvel boils down to "Absorb and convert all forms of energy".

Scarlet Witch's power is "reality is my b!+(#"

edited 28th Jan '15 8:29:19 AM by MousaThe14

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#25334: Jan 28th 2015 at 8:51:39 AM

Her mutation is that she can do magic.

I can't decide if that's brilliant or bullshit.

In honesty; magic works a lot better than 'probability manipulation' or 'reality bending'

When Scarlet Witch does something, in my head I say 'Magic'

When Scarlet Witch CAN'T do something, in my head I say 'Magic.'

It makes for simple reading.

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#25335: Jan 28th 2015 at 8:53:43 AM

Attempts to excuse her powers as probability manipulation inevitably fall flat when she inevitably starts manipulating probabilities that are flatly impossible anyway.

"I manipulated the probability of you instantly turning into a rabbit." No, f*ck you, that was magic.

Longshot's good luck powers are probability manipulation. Black Cat's bad luck jinxes are probability manipulation. What the Scarlet Witch does is sorcery, plain and simple.

edited 28th Jan '15 8:55:19 AM by TobiasDrake

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#25336: Jan 28th 2015 at 9:01:42 AM

As much as I like Scarlet Witch (and for that matter, Wiccan), it's an absurd powerset that works a lot better when they just call it magic. The MCU version might be better defined though.

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#25337: Jan 28th 2015 at 9:18:21 AM

The MCU tends to tone down the powers of the characters a little bit to ensure that they are still vulnerable enough that they are not a living instant fix. I am sure they did the same for scarlet witch.

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#25338: Jan 28th 2015 at 9:26:12 AM

In practice, Carol's powers boil down to being a flying brick that also shoots zaps. And she's never turned back time by flying really fast so she's less ill-defined than superman at least.

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#25340: Jan 28th 2015 at 9:26:58 AM

And Remender is still writing so giving that a miss.

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#25342: Jan 28th 2015 at 9:34:35 AM

Its part of a secret plan to make Star Fox canon to Marvel.

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#25343: Jan 28th 2015 at 9:38:12 AM

Welp it looks like that Funko POP ad from a few days back might have indeed have some spoilers, and Marvel is trying to do damage control.

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#25344: Jan 28th 2015 at 10:26:04 AM

So can Captain!Falcon actually throw the Shield or do anything else, or is he just "same Falcon as you always knew him, just with a new prop and paint job"?

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#25345: Jan 28th 2015 at 1:38:54 PM

Wait, did Vision stop being dead?

@Speculating on the roster of an MCU Masters of Evil; considering the earliest we could see that team would probably be the Avengers 4, and it's not obvious at this point of tie what roster the Avengers will have at that point or what movies will proceed it, it's a little hard to speculate.

I'd love to see it though; something which frustratingly never has been depicted on screen is a proper super hero team vs super hero team fight. Frustratingly the X-Men movies always split up the teams into sparing pairs

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#25346: Jan 28th 2015 at 2:09:46 PM

Did the Vision die again recently?

I didn't know that he died again after the Disassembled thing.

edited 28th Jan '15 2:09:54 PM by Bocaj

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#25347: Jan 28th 2015 at 2:31:13 PM

[up][up]Vision was restored to life right after Fear Itself.

[up]I think his death in Disassembled was what they were getting at.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#25348: Jan 28th 2015 at 2:51:17 PM

Ah, I stopped keeping up with general 616 goings on after Siege, these days I just take interest in what I take interest in; like I read Age of Ultron and I had no idea what the deal was with Vision (I just assumed Ultron had acquired his body for temporal interface or something)

I'm interested in compiling a list of which MARVEL characters remained believed dead for the longest amount of time. Vision being dead for six years is quite impressive in this day and age.

edited 28th Jan '15 3:43:21 PM by Whowho

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#25349: Jan 28th 2015 at 5:13:03 PM

Ben Reilly. Dead since 1996.

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#25350: Jan 28th 2015 at 5:18:22 PM

Do alternate universe forms and clones count? Because Gwen Stacy

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