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Doomboy911 Since: Mar, 2010
#1: Jul 27th 2011 at 11:31:30 AM

Just to ask how might one avoid a mary sue situation? Is it only for fanfiction that they come up?

TheEarthSheep Christmas Sheep from a Pasture hexagon Since: Sep, 2010
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#2: Jul 27th 2011 at 11:43:43 AM

Put effort into making them a round character, no, and do we really need another Sue topic?

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FallenLegend Lucha Libre goddess from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
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#3: Jul 27th 2011 at 11:58:21 AM

Give an equal set of flaws for evey set of virtues to your characters and you will be fine.

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#4: Jul 27th 2011 at 12:40:16 PM

Google it.

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Doomboy911 Since: Mar, 2010
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#6: Jul 27th 2011 at 3:02:47 PM

Ensemble cast.

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MajorTom Eye'm the cutest! Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#7: Jul 27th 2011 at 6:58:07 PM

Give an equal set of flaws for evey set of virtues to your characters and you will be fine.

Not necessarily. The 1 to 1 ratio reeks of Anti-Sue just like flipping all the triggers of Mary Sue does.

A non-Sue feels like a normal person for all their worth. Not perfect, but not so loaded with flaws for every advantage.

There are folks in reality who if fictionalized would be classic examples of Mary Sue.

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Enthryn (they/them) Since: Nov, 2010
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#8: Jul 27th 2011 at 7:04:20 PM

More than anything else, a character becomes a Mary Sue when other characters' behavior centers around that one character to an implausible degree. Specific traits are often associated with Mary Sue characters, but as long as you avoid inappropriately making your character the center of attention, it should be fine.

Just remember that all characters, no matter how minor their role in the story, are each the main character of their own life (from their perspective), and write accordingly.

edited 27th Jul '11 7:04:52 PM by Enthryn

KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#9: Jul 27th 2011 at 7:55:25 PM

My buddy put it in spectacular terms a few years back:

"A story is a machine; each gear turns on its own. The world doesn't stop being at war because the hero isn't there. The villains don't stop doing evil things because the hero didn't show up. And other heroes can achieve an entire stories' worth of good without the hero ever being involved to see it."

feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
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#10: Jul 27th 2011 at 8:12:25 PM

Seconding Enthryn. My particular focus is on romantic stories, so my main way of avoiding Sues is to make sure that both characters have a reason for being drawn to each other.

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mr.myxsiple Since: Sep, 2013
#11: Feb 10th 2015 at 5:39:18 AM

It's stated on the common mary sue traits page that the traits are ok if they're properly explained. I constantly question myself which is why I'm here. Is there any way to know whether your explanation for a mary sue trait is good enough to have a character not be a sue?

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