General Digimon Topic

It's been four years and people are still hating on Hunters even though it's not actually that bad it just has a shitty main character. Hell if we're being honest Tamers did the exact same Monster of the Week with plot moving in the background thing for half its run with the only major differences being that it had a more likable main character and that it didn't do the Pokemon thing. >.>

This I agree with.

This as well. Hell, even Tagiru had potential, but the brief run of the series, combined with the fact that he had to share the spotlight with Taiki (a spotlight he then stole in the final crossover) pretty much ensured him a permanent spot on the scrappy heap. I think all characters have potential though, and Tagiru, even if I'd still ended up hating him, could have been good in his own right if he'd been the hero of his own story instead of just picking up Taiki's slack.

This new dude is lucky to not have that on his head. Digimon just doesn't do sequel series well.

Hunters didn't have plot running in the background, though. The plot just found them later. And it wasn't like Savers either, where the 13 episodes of episodic stuff builds this world and introduces the building blocks for things to matter later.

But it's also mostly filler and existed mostly to fill time before the show passed the time slot to something else. XW kind of collapsing in on itself in the parts that matter is more frustrating to me. Hunters does a lot of things wrong, but it's just kind of there in the overall scheme of things.

Honestly, Yuu frustrates me more than Tagiru does, and I'd argue he's even more of a Creator's Pet.

Soo... I decided to watch Applimon.

Its was pretty cool to me.

I'll watch it when I find a place to watch it.

Has it been subbed fully yet? I saw some subs of the opening on Youtube, but that might be a quick job someone did.

There's a sub but it's kind of quick and dirty. I can't tell you where to find it.

EDIT: I've been working building the trope page? anyone wanna help out? https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/DigimonUniverseApplimonsters

I wanna start a character page too but I'm kinda busy today...

edited 2nd Oct '16 12:41:44 PM by TFRazorsaw

Yeah. I've seen places with it, but I haven't been able to watch it because a lot of places besides Kiss Anime give me a bloody wrestling match in terms of watching Anime online.

I sit there waiting for the video to start, while it just plain ass refuses to start, no matter how many times I reload the page or wait.

But thanks anyway. Maybe I can just keep trying until I find somewhere that won't give me trouble.

Tamers used its Monster of the Week episodes to establish its main characters and kick-start their character arcs. Hunters had no character arcs to speak of. That's the crucial difference.

Pretty much yeah.

Though was that due to the fact that it was never going to be very long, or some other factor we're not considering.

Anyway, caught Applimon.

Certainly stuck on that main character/side character thing. That being said, it's trying hard to be it's on thing, and I can see a lot of Hunters influence in it just like was said before. I feel like this is what Young Hunters would have been if it hadn't been shoehorned into the Xros Wars universe.

Interested to see where things go. I wonder if Glasses dude and that other girl are gonna get appmon partners, or if they are going to go in the (completely wrong) direction of Akari and Zenjiro?

I hope not.

I don't need all the characters to have partners. But like, we didn't see Nene and Kiriha regularly and Akari and Zenjirou rarely had anything to do.

Here there's a balance of people with partners and side characters. I'm perfectly fine with that. Precure gets by just fine with friends and side characters who aren't magical girls after all.

Fair enough.

Do you think Tamers was helped by making Juri, Hirokazu, Kenta (who apparently wasn't on the original list) and Suichon Tamers then?

Or are you against it?

Juri Shaochung and Hirokazu were great, but I can imagine a series where they didn't have to become Tamers.

Kenta didn't really add much in my opinion.

I'm here to point out laaaaaaaaaaate that they did use original names and music in other dubs than Latin America

I was okay Jeri, Kazu and Kenta becoming Tamers. Was sad about Leomon's death though. I feel more could have been done with them like making Kazu be the fourth biomerger instead of Ryo.

So I gotta ask:

Why did the Digimon not jump to their highest forms right away when fighting Meicrackmon.

I mean, if it's about not hurting her, going to their highest forms (4 megas / ultimates or two if they bring in Omegamon / Omnimon, and 3 ultimates / perfects at that time until Izzy / Koushiro and Tentomon showed up) would have let them contain her far more effective then one Perfect / Ultimate in Angewmon.

The thing is, they don't have to kill her (they were clearly trying to avoid that), but so many digimon of those levels all working together could have definitely kept her in check....you know, up until the point where they all started succumbing to the infection, but that's neither here nor there.

I imagine it was for the sake of avoiding collateral damage. There was a distortion, but she kept getting out regularly, and limiting it to the forms they could get by with at first was probably the best option.

I don't know man. I still say going to higher level forms would have served better for holding her. Like I said, no need for big attacks. Just grab, jump in the hole and hold her. Omegamon could have done that. I mean, I suppose Garudamon would have been too big for it, but Altur / Mega Kabuterimon / Hercules-Kabuterimon is pretty huge, and he didn't cause that much damage.

More to the point, once he got his hands on her, he was a mon of his word and didn't lose his grip on her at all. If they'd all just busted out their highest forms and held on tight, that would have been a difficult situation to escape from.

At the last, as she became more and more difficult to hold, (especially once the new form came out) jumping to higher level forms should have been an option.

Ikari's leading the group. Ikari has the Crest of Being A Bitch, and thus why they couldn't just bring Omnimon into the mix.

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I think Autocorrect might have messed up your post there.

The main reason is because of the general narrative concept of non-escalation: Villains Act, Heroes React.

As for another reason, by the time they fought, some of them knew they were infected, and some of them may have suspected it. So, if they thought they could go in without excessive force, better to not risk it.

I'd say they were afraid it'd accelerate the inevitable.

Good point. Ok.

I suppose if the infection wasn't an issue, they might have upped things a notch.

On that note, while Tentomon is the man for what he did, I also want to give props to Augmon.

First one on the scene (alongside Gomamon) but held out from infection the longest. Good work buddy.

I've finally managed to watch a subbed version of the first episode of Applimonsters and I'm not gonna lie, it was actually pretty solid and well done for an introduction. However, it may actually be still too early to evaluate the season as a whole, it is a completely new concept and it may need a few more episodes to present this new world to all of us.

And I'm not gonna lie, I'm just as worried as I'm excited. I fear it may end up becoming another Hunters and there are some things that ressemble it here and there indeed, but at the same time I'm willing to give it a chance. I like the idea of Haru being insecure about being the main character, he is like the complete opposite of what Tagiru was in that mess that was Hunters and both he and his partner are far more likeable too.

I just hope it doesn't take too long for the plot to start rolling too. One of the main things that made me dislike Hunters was not just the obnoxious due, but also how it didn't have a plot at all until the very end and just threw a bunch of fillers at me that didn't go anywhere just to make it longer. I want a plot.

Just in general, Tri has been weird about not evolving all the way. Nobody tried to go to Ultimate when they were fighting the Kuwagamon trio or engaging Alphamon; Mimi didn't go straight to Lilymon when fighting Ogremon (that floral wreath move could have been the fastest and least violent way to end the fight) and also took forever evolving to Lilymon in the Imperialdramon fight. Leomon, for his part, never once turned into Saber Leomon.

I get the idea that Ultimates and Megas have bigger, flashier attacks that could cause more collateral damage, but the kids should know better than to try to engage stronger digimon with Champions.

In regards to your last point, there's no evidence that Leomon can still do that. It was a unstable evolution caused by constant exposure to the digivice. Normally, when a digimon like Leomon evolves, it's permanent. It's entirely possible that his (first) death purged him of the digivice energy that let him evolve like that in the first place.