General Digimon Topic

Well to be fair, at least in the Digivice Jogress was never meant to be a true fusion, it was just the secondary fusee giving the primary one the power necessary to move along their natural Digivolution line; why else would ExVeemon and Stingmon be able to Jogress into two separate Digimon, or for that matter have MagnaAngemon and Angewomon as potential Jogresses between Ankylomon and Angemon and Aquilamon and Gatomon? Hell, why else would they have made Seraphimon a Jogress between MagnaAngemon and WereGarurumon.

Soo... I just found out that Next 0rder has a opening theme song, Here it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDcEgia5I6A

Its called 'Accentier' (Whatever the hell that means.)

Yeah. I knew about that song. It plays during some of the trailers for Next Order.

I've been trying to find some good clips of the game myself. The thing is, there don't seem to be too many, outside of one group of videos from a stream.

There are each 4 or 5 hours long. I mean, why would you make videos that big? Why not split them up into smaller ones?

Just got caught up. I'm not going to go episode by episode after all, but:

• It was nice getting character development for both humans and digimon
• What the shit's going on with Ken?
• What the shit's going on with what's her face adult woman?
• Leomon's so going to die against Imperialdramon/crushing on Meicoomon, that's so cu—WHAT THE SHIT?

With Tentomon's Mega debuting next movie, I have to ask: Aside from Hope and Light, which were noted to be special in-universe, does anyone else feel like Knowledge is the odd crest out?

All of the other crests are traits that are born from emotion in some way - Courage is a response to fear, for example, while Friendship and Love can be said to come from types of happiness that result from resonating with others' feelings - but Knowledge is completely stoic. It's not something you develop from within, like Sincerity/Purity or Reliability; it's something that you accumulate from the outside world.

It certainly made Tentomon's evolutionary debuts less emotional. Where Tai bravely runs up to fight Shellmon when Agumon is pinned down, and where Joe responsibly attempts to shoulder the burden of exploring Infinity Mountain so that the rest of the kids wouldn't have to take any risks, Izzy just sort of hacks Tentomon into evolving. Sora triggers Birdramon's evolution by realizing the love behind her mother's actions, and Matt triggers Garurumon's evolution by overcoming his uncertainty that his friends were really on his side; Izzy goes through this weird episode where he gives up on learning in order to save himself and evolves Kabuterimon after stealing back the inquisitiveness that was somehow physically extracted from him. It sort of makes me worry about how H-Kabuterimon will debut.

I think something like Curiosity or something similar would have been a better crest for Izzy. Curiosity is emotional, in that it comes from a desire to learn, and I think that makes it more of a virtue than the actual Knowledge gained from acting on Curiosity.

With knowledge, and specifically with how the latest episodes ended, I think some of the emotional basis may come from the ability to accept that there are things you do not know, and potentially things you cannot know. There may be a bit of a humility aspect to it.

I'm thinking about the humility track because I was wondering if Meimei and Mei had a crest, is that what it would be?

Darkness, obviously.

Well, if we consider the ryo games and assign a crest to the digimentals, we still have available darkness, pride and tenacity (desire is ryo's - it opens the door to millenniumon's soul)

Tenacity is totally Davis' thing, Cody is pretty Prideful in his righteousness at the start (though the point of his character arc is how he grows out of it), and Darkness... uh... well, if you apply it to Yolei, you get a sort of yin-yang thing with Kari as her Jogress partner..?

...Let's say that Davis has Leadership, Yolei has Faith, and Cody has Forgiveness. Any objections?

Davis is clearly Action/Willpower

Davis was pretty spirited and hard-headed, but I feel his greatest strength, and the trait that got the most focus in his character spotlight moments, is his ability to lead and motivate the team.

He (ostensibly) earned his champion evolution by pushing Veemon, but comfortably enough such that he didn't get a Skull Greymon/Meggidramon moment out of it because he knew Veemon's limits. He earned his Jogress evolution by recognizing Ken's insecurities and helping him overcome them. The first major lesson I can remember him learning was understanding the team dynamic between Tai and Matt, and his crowning moment throughout the season was motivating his team to look past their visions of an ideal world to focus on fixing the real one.

Incidentally, this means Davis is probably the most natural leader out of all the goggleheads in the series, besides maybe Taiki. That's a scary thought.

Thats cause Davis is written as a Tai that never failed

Davis never pays for taking the problem head on or going forward without a plan.

Unlike Say Tai facing his mortality or the consequences of pushing his digimon or Team too hard.

The Team spilts up not because of Matt's rebellion... Matt's rebellion is just a symptom of the larger problem... Tai in his gunghoness to win the war has forgotten his troops which comes full circle when Kari is sick and Tai can't just will it to get better.

Davis is a glorification of the simpleton -Thats why the Nirvana trick doesn't work- Hold on let me go look it up

edited 5th May '16 4:23:58 PM by FrozenWolf2

Eh, Davis was one of my favorite googleheads, and Veemon and his line is one of my favorite Digimon groups of all time, right up there with Guilmon, Dorumon, and Impmon.

That's an interesting theory. Especially funny since this flaw of his was still to their benefit.

So was Davis's relative lack of character development just a way to contrast him with Ken or was the contrast just an excuse for minimal character development?

Either way, I like most of the other better than him. Veemon was awesome, though.

I always found him kind of endearing. I mean, he saved the world by wanting to own a noodle cart. That's got to count for something.

Well, barring my the spores transferred all emotions and when the kids started feeling good about themselves, it turned the dark energy of the spores into light and tore him apart from the inside theory, you do remember that Marsh Malo Myotismon died from people having happy thoughts right?

Nothing to be proud of when the villain is pathetic.

Though I still have that theory that may explain it, but that's something that needs to be stated in series if it was true.

So your theory is basically this?

x4

I don't know how true it is but what I've heard is that there were five writers for 02 and that some of the writers wanted Davis to have character development while the others didn't and that the latter group won in the end.

Well, I wish you'd found better clip example, but I suppose so yeah.

Ken still has his spore in him, and they apparently go dormant when they no longer make you a dick. I have no proof, but I get the idea they could work both ways (take both positive and negative emotions). But only if you have a Dark Spore in you. That why he didn't really start falling apart until those kids started getting happy.

It makes sense to me, but yeah, no evidence.

Edit:

I'm baffled at the idea of not wanting to develop your main character.

edited 8th May '16 5:55:21 PM by HandsomeRob

02 had about 6-7 writers with various assistant writers all under two head "Scenario Developers"

Basically you had teams of writers throwing ideas together, and then two people trying to fit the ideas into a narrative whole.

Note 02 is the only season that does this.

Davis is the full on pro Anti-Intellectualism , Davis never has a moment where he considers his actions

Davis is the first to forgive, first to reach out and first to act... and again IT NEVER BACKFIRES ON HIM. If Davis doesn't trust, You are untrustworthy PERIOD. Cause his Moral center is just that **** damn good.

Hell Davis has the distinction of being of the first 4 leaders the only one NOT to have a moment where he has a dark emotion and moment of rage or loss of control. Nothing. Davis leads by the front and he comes out unscared. Davis is always the absolute leader and everyone defers to him.

That why the Nirvana trick Does not work on Davis... No Straight up Davis is so much of a simpleton live by the moment fool... He basically shrugs it off

Even Kari whose a small saint has a desire that is strong enough to overhwelm her mind and enrapture her. and hers is just the desire for a world where People and Digimon live in peace and harmony.

Listen man, I hear what you are saying, but it worked for them, so what can you do?

Ah well, Him not doubting himself didn't help at the beginning of Tri.

Malo Myotismon was being targeted by the light of a million digivices. The negativity from the Dark Spore children was the only thing giving him power to resist the light, so when they stopped despairing, should have fried on the spot.

Also, he got shot by a giant cannon.

A giant cannon that hasn't been used since, barring the Xros Wars xrosover, since in both Diaboromon Strikes Back and tri. it's either the Positron Laser or Ionic Blaster.

You could level a similar criticism at Taiki. While Taiki is probably the smartest of the leaders, he has a bad case of Chronic Hero Syndrome and doesn't really spare a lot of time for self-reflection. His plans also work a hell of a lot better than they should given that Xros Wars has the trappings of a War Fic.