DEATH BATTLE

Well, now that the opponent is confirmed... I'll just predict this analysis will be a lot like Goku/Superman: they'll give a lot of the benefit of the doubt to the Hulk (like, say, giving him his WWH strength), but it still won't match Doomsday.

Just to play devil's advocate, it's entirely possible that the writers who made that happen simply think that "super durable" = "super sharp", which would make a decent case for Hulk's durability.

Still a non-issue, though. If Doomsday can develop spikes to deal with kryptonian durability, he'll do the same for Hulk's skin.

I know this is a bit of a tangent, but a couple of things:

• That "universe-destroying" blow didn't actually damage the nearest planet;
• SS Bx 10 Goku managed to overcome stopped time, only for his opponent to... stop time even harder, hard enough to work. Heck, his opponent won.

Both feats are way too wonky to be taken at face value right now.

edited 22nd Oct '16 5:06:55 PM by JonnasN

I'm also positive that's what they think but it doesn't make them right. In fact heightened durability can sometimes get in the way of sharpness—sharpening a diamond, for instance, is not an easy task.

Okay, 1) we see a planet in another solar system turn to dust during the first beam clash between the two, and throughout the fight in both the anime and manga, the shockwaves were visible in the Sacred World of the Kais, which exist outside of the main macroverse of the universe and afterlife, and 2) Hit only won because Goku gave up at the end; he just jumps out of the ring once he finds out Hit has been holding back his killing techniques, and that he won't get the best fight possible due to Beerus and Champa not allowing Hit to use them.

A better choice against Doomsday would have been The Juggernaut.

Oh I see where I went wrong now. I assumed Superman was using super yelling against Doomsday, but that's an entirely new weapon he has. What you're saying makes a lot more sense now.

Given that a super-durable material wouldn't wear very easily (or at all, if the material is completely indestructible), you could make a super-sharp weapon out of it, since the material of the weapon would prevent it from going dull.

That does assume, though, that the people who manufactured the thing had the means and the will to mold it into a very, very fine edge.

The comic books very much do treat admantanium as being really good for offense not just defense. Like Ross's troops get loaded up with admantanium bullets to shoot the hulk with because normal bullets won't work (though I can't remember if that's all the troops or just Ross's handgun). So arguing that its just a normal knife being used by a normal man to cut the Hulk is very much not true.

So like sure it might not be right by real world standards, but real world standards don't really matter in this context.

edited 22nd Oct '16 5:17:23 PM by Kosjurake

Why?

And yet Earth was left undamaged. It's an inconsistent feat (or at least, a very weird one). It's like if a nuclear bomb went off in New York, causing Seattle (and only Seattle) to explode, as well as an earthquake in Shanghai. What gives?

If the fight continued, Goku was very unlikely to win (his body was giving out, and we both agree that Hit was holding back the entire time).

But that's beside the point: Hit overcame someone "faster than stopped time" by using more stopped time. By all means, we need a better explanation for how that's supposed to work.

edited 22nd Oct '16 5:52:26 PM by JonnasN

Magic.

He's one of the few guys who can go toe to toe with said Hulk (as in a near literal unstoppable force vs inexhaustible strength), and likely fight him to a standstill.

He went up against the aforementioned World breaker and Hulk had to outsmart him to stop him because they were more or less evenly matched.

I think he's a better choice to match up against Doomsday because even if the big D keeps evolving, Juggernaut can not be stopped.

Unless you dig a hole where hes running.

The Earth was undamaged because the waves got stronger the further out they got; even then Earth was still dealing with planet-wide weather effects due to the limited force hitting it.

For Hit, it's honestly a toss-up whether or not Hit would have truly won that; anime-wise then maybe, but manga-wise then no, even Goku says that Vegeta would have beaten Hit during their fight if it wasn't for him wasting so much power going Blue against Cabba. Either way, Hit was only holding back in his techniques, not his power; he would have potentially killed Goku not because he was overall stronger than Goku, but because he would have used a move specifically designed to kill a target before Goku had a chance to fully power up. In a straight fight, Goku would probably beat Hit in terms of raw power.

If he developed heat resistance due to exposure to lava, he'll be still vulnerable to, say, being thrown into a star, which is several times hotter than the hottest lava. (Heat resistance =/= heat immunity. There is no such thing as a perfect insulator, be it to heat or to electricity.)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxl2ro_all-dragon-style_shortfilms

http://imgur.com/a/gSjNN

http://imgur.com/a/W17ul

Doomsday is going to take this one. Or it's going to be stupid.

If Hulk wins, it's going to be because of the same infinity logic they used for Superman. Because the Hulk is as strong as he is angry, his capacity for strength is theoretically infinite and can therefore eventually reach a level of power Doomsday can't compete with.

If they try to take that stance, they will be ignoring the fact that the Hulk does not get successively stronger with every blow dealt to him because anger doesn't work that way. The Hulk's theoretical strength potential may not have any limits, but rage does. It burns out and it can be punched out.

The most common method of defeating the Hulk is hitting him really hard until he runs out of angry. Doomsday should have no trouble doing that, and his ridiculous invulnerabilities are not dependant upon an emotional state to maintain.

edited 22nd Oct '16 7:14:34 PM by TobiasDrake

See, you say that, but that didn't stop Asura from getting so wrathful that he killed the primordial god of his universe in what was technically his weakest form, simply because he transcended the limits of his own wrath.

But we're not talking about Asura so that's irrelevant.

I'm sure Doomsday will win for one simple fact: he can come back on his own while Hulk can't.

That Asura's Wrath is really stupid has no bearing on Hulk v. Doomsday.

Here's the link to the full Doomsday vs Motherbox Enhanced Superman fight.

And a link to the previous Hulk vs Doomsday discussion so that we don't just talk in circles.

Again, doesn't change the fact that fiction doesn't give a damn if anger has a limit or not.

Except we're not talking about "fiction" in general, we're talking about the Hulk and the Hulk is clearly shown to have limits, so your point does not stand.

This. One thing does not mean the other.

I wonder if they'll factor DCEU Doomsday into the analysis.

Except it...kind of does; it's not that Hulk has limits to his anger, it's that he has limits to his feats. There could possibly be some story in the future that gets rid of those anger limits, doubtful but true. On some level, you kind of have to just stop applying real world logic to works of fiction, especially when it comes to comic books; Hulk's very existence is an impossibility anyways, since that whole gamma ray thing wouldn't actually work in any universe that followed the same laws of physics as this one.

Okay, this Asura is probably a magical being right? So normal limits on emotion most likely wouldn't apply to him in the first place.