DEATH BATTLE

Avadacadaver blew shit up, but the damage it did wasn't that impressive. Star Wars also has mind control and mind reading, but I don't know how strong Vader is. I think he can hide his thought from the Emperor, but don't take my word on it.

I still say the better match up is Vader versus magneto. lol

Magneto could rip Vader to shreds without even looking at him, and there would be very little-to-nothing Annikins could do to stop him.

Some versions of Magneto could, yeah. some versions couldn't. I mean Magneto gets taken down by a punch or loses concentration because someone slams into him in some issues or sometimes he can rearrange matter, levitate(without using metal to prop himself up), produce an invincible shield, or become invisible because "Magnets(and control over magnetic fields), how do they work?" is something the writers enjoy abusing. The man has lost to squirrel girl before.

It's a common problem to comic book characters who have decades of stories with various level of seriousness, their powers go all over the place in terms of what they can do and what they can't and how much plot armor they get. Someone with a minigun should be able to kill spiderman, but nobody every seems to do it.
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Vader also suffers this because of the power creep from the EU gets applied to him when ever he shows up.

Even the whole "Magneto could just crush his life support and win" is debatable. Ignoring that Magneto can't actually detect metal and wouldn't know Vader is part machine, how do force power interact with Magneto's power? Does it count as another type of force power in the Star Wars universe where Vader would be able to sense it and clash it? Vader lost his life suppprt when it was destroyed by lightning, but he took quite a bit to actually die, would Vader be able to slam Magneto around with the force before he died? If Vader force tossed his lightsaber right when the match started who's ability to move shit with their mind is actually stronger?

Squirrel Girl defeated Dr. Doom too, that girl have some great victories under her belt.

If Magneto tries to crush Vader, he would be crushing Vader's arms and legs too. Vader will be immobilised.

edited 28th Jul '14 7:47:44 AM by Blurring

Could Magneto redirect the light saber's "blade"? It's an ionized plasma, right?

Seeing how they use feats from the movies and Magneto could detect metal in the films - like the adamantium in Wolverine's bones and the extra iron in that one security guard's blood - I wouldn't be so sure.

Presumably, he could.

edited 28th Jul '14 10:49:01 AM by Arawn444

Based on how Luke vs. Harry went down, I'd say Vader beats Voldemort. As for Magneto, Vader is made out of more metal than flash, so Mags could just pull his artificial limbs apart and kill Vader with his own lightsaber.

Voldemort is more powerful than Harry, and Vader is weaker than Luke. Unlike Harry, Voldemort also lacks any injury that could be exploited as a Shatterpoint and that's even if Vader can use Shatterpoint.

Okay, then Voldemort beats Vader.

It depends on whether Vader's smart enough to realize that Voldy's wand is the source of most of his power. Snap the one and Voldemort must resort to wandless magic, then again Voldy's very good at wandless magic, but I'd imagine he'd take a dip in raw power.

I think it would be quite obvious that the stick shooting green lasers is at the very least a dangerous weapon.

Not even a remotely fair assessment, and there's two Vaders to consider here. "Movie" Vader, beaten by movie physics and technological restrictions, and "Expanded Universe" Vader, aka, the one who fought Starkiller in The Force Unleashed.

Voldemort has three insta-wins: Avadra Kedavra, mind control, and Crucio, that I'm seeing.

Mind control is apparently ruled out by him requiring horcruxes. Avadra Kedavra is only an instant-kill if it lands, and Harry, a fifteen-year old boy, has been able to dodge it by taking cover behind tombstones. Vader deflects lasers with his hands, and that's just movie Vader.

Crucio could seriously eff him up, if Voldemort struck the portions of him that are still organic.

It all comes down to where Vader does a force choke, or if Voldemort lands Avada Kedavra on his upper body/skull, and there's another issue with the metaphysics of a killing spell that strips a soul from physical form in one universe clashing with the metaphysics of how souls and energy and death work in relation to The Force.

edited 28th Jul '14 1:21:49 PM by FOFD

With Luke they used the EU version. I don't see why they wouldn't do the same for Vader.

Voldemort has more than just Avada Kedavra. That may be his spell of choice, but he has a myriad other offensive and defensive spells, as his duel with Dumbledore in The Order of the Phoenix illustrated. As for his mind control/possession, Dumbledore never explicitly states that Voldemort can't do it to non-Horcruxes, just that having a shard of his soul inside the target makes it easier. You're also forgetting the Imperius Curse, although Vader could probably resist it.

If Vader tried to block Avada Kedavra with his "indestructible" right glove, that would be pitting Sith alchemy against Voldemort's magic, but even magical objects in the Harry Potter universe are destroyed by that spell, so at the very least he would probably lose that hand. I also don't recall where it says Crucio has to hit exposed flesh to work, just that it causes excruciating pain to the target.

He could just block it with his lightsaber, probably. It's iffy.

Movie Vader has a greater range than any version of Magneto. Still not sure who would win.

I mean Magneto can produce a force field that withstands nukes, but his main weakness has always been being injured at all seriously fucks up his abilities. Also if he loses his helmet he has no defense against any psychic manipulation.

Magneto has a lot of power in his metal manipulation, able to carve up guns and tanks in seconds. His maximum feat has been lifting a submarine out of the water that weighed 90-tons. So power-wise he is pretty strong. However Galen Marek was a force user strong enough to do what Magneto does on a stronger level, pulling a Star Destroyer out of orbit. Vader did pretty okay against him.

So here is the issue. If you count the force as working at the same plane as Magneto's mutant power than Magneto wouldn't be able to stop Vader with his his powers and would require to rely on trying to hit him with his energy blasts.

If you count Magneto's powers as being on a different wave length than Vader could just force push Magneto at the round start or use any dark side mind control because Magneto's helmet and Magneto wouldn't be able to do much. It's why you rarely see Magneto on the front lines, prefering to be surrounded by his minions to protect his weaknesses. Magneto is a very squishy wizard. Powerful, but easy to knock out of a fight. lol

Erm. You forget the Imperius Curse.

As for Vader vs Magneto, I'm still wondering about that. His lightsaber is definitely an unreliable weapon, as both its material composition, and the "blade", are made of valid targets for Magneto's power.

Also, if Magneto's power operates on the same plane as Force powers, I wonder if Vader could force back Magneto's attempts to manipulate his body, and concentrate on a particular Force power, such as the choke, all at once. Not to mention that, if Magneto can detect metal, Vader would probably have to fight him over the gestures needed for powers like the push or choke.

Not that the push would probably do a whole heck of a lot, since Magneto can levitate himself.

Because Magneto's helmet what?

edited 28th Jul '14 8:59:11 PM by Enlong

Magneto's helmet protects him from telepathic effects. It's enough to keep Professor Xavier from getting into his mind, and it works well enough that even when using Cerebro to enhance his powers, Professor X can't so much as detect him. I'd wager that's enough to keep Vader from getting into his head.

Will Magneto be allowed to do his Marvel vs Capcom lasers?

I was saying that if the force doesn't interact with the powers from Marvel Mutants, than the reverse would hold true and Magneto's helmet wouldn't block force manipulations so both Magneto and his helmet would have no chance of stopping Vader from using any mind control.

Yeah. They show up in the comics too so they would be in.

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edited 28th Jul '14 9:27:28 PM by offensivehandle

Personally, I think that treating Magneto's power as the same as the Force is a bit misdirected. Magneto's power comes from the same source, but it manifests as electromagnetic waves, which are a real thing. Magneto's just generating and manipulating them. It's not telekinesis.

I guess my question is: Can the Force prevent a magnet from working? I know Vader could probably use his own force manipulation on the objects Magneto is trying to manipulate (Vader's arms, for one example) and attempt to overpower him with an opposing force, but I don't think he could block the magnetic fields themselves.

As for the helmet; it stops telepathy, which is different from Magneto's own power.

edited 28th Jul '14 9:53:42 PM by Enlong

Isn't Magneto's maximum feat completely f'ing up the Earth's magnetic field? To quote the Marvel Comics Database: "Magneto can manipulate an entire planet's electromagnetic field though this is a task that requires great effort on his part. Magneto has harnessed magnetism to stop armies, raise islands from ocean floors, move mountains, change the course of rivers, and threaten to devastate the world with floods and earthquakes. Magneto once blanketed the entire globe with a self-generated electromagnetic pulse that caused widespread devastation. Moreover, he can use his magnetic powers in more than one way simultaneously. He can completely assemble a complicated machine within seconds through his powers."

And that's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what he's capable of.

Even Anakin couldn't use the force to dislodge General Grievous' magnetized feet, so no.

...those must have been some really powerful magnets, because I think I recall Anakin pushing some heavy things with the Force.

Right, but in the Marvel universe telepathy is generated in the brain and needs to be able to reach another brain, so a helmet with some tech in it can block it. In the Star Wars Universe the force is some sorta magic that permeates everything, but only a select few can manipulate it, so the force can't be be blocked with electronics or metal.

I don't think the force would be able to clash Magneto's powers, but I don't think his helmet would protect him either, lol.

Oh snap. I forgot when he lifted the mountain. Well, most of a mountain. A tad bit less than the top half. Still going to have to say that a Star Destroyer is bigger. The Army thing and the life ending thing are less impressive than the sub.

edited 28th Jul '14 10:18:52 PM by offensivehandle

So, it becomes a single-move speed battle. Who instantly crushes whose vital organs first.

As with Green Lantern vs Susan Storm, not a very interesting battle to watch.

edited 28th Jul '14 10:11:47 PM by Enlong

Exactly. Better match ups would be something like the flash versus Magneto or vs Vader. Something of more even playing field. lol

edited 28th Jul '14 10:22:05 PM by offensivehandle