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Which Reddit, though? Because I highly doubt that's the Donald one.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
It's the R/Politics forum.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/
Which is basically a nonstop stream of Anti-Trump news. Because sanity. Not necessarily a thing you associate with reddit, I admit, as someone who is often a rude asshole on the internet. But in this case, the outrage and disgust is real there.
Here's the thread:
edited 21st Jun '18 12:43:47 PM by CharlesPhipps
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2018/06/21/day-518/
Day 518: Shared values.
1/ Hundreds of separated children have been sent to New York even after Trump signed an executive order ending his administration's policy of separating parents and children who have illegally crossed the border. New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said Cayuga Centers in East Harlem is currently caring for 239 children separated at the border. The center has cared for 350 children in total over the last two months. Cayuga Centers has $76 million in contracts with the federal government to care for immigrant children. (New York Times / New York Daily News)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/nyregion/children-separated-border-new-york.html
What Trump's executive order on family separation does and doesn't do. (NPR)
Ivanka Trump thanked her dad for ending his family separation policy while calling on Congress to "find a lasting solution that is consistent with our shared values." (Huff Post)
2/ Immigrants as young as 14 years old who are being housed at a detention center in Virginia say they were beaten while in handcuffs, stripped nude, and placed in cold solitary confinement cells for extended periods of time. The abuse claims are detailed in federal court filings, which include allegations from multiple detainees that guards stripped them of their clothes, strapped them to chairs, and placed bags over their heads. (Associated Press)
https://apnews.com/afc80e51b562462c89907b49ae624e79
3/ Border Patrol will stop sending parents illegally crossing into the U.S. with children to federal courthouses for prosecution because ICE lacks the detention capacity needed. Solo adults who cross illegally will continue to face misdemeanor charges under the Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy. (Washington Post)
The Defense Department sent 21 military lawyers to Arizona, Texas and New Mexico to help prosecute illegal immigration cases. Lawyers will be given basic training in immigration law and federal criminal procedure in order to help the current federal prosecutors. (NBC News)
4/ Trump questioned the "purpose" of two House immigration bills that he previously said he supported "1,000 percent." Trump tweeted that both bills don't matter, because they will likely fail in the Senate where Republicans hold 51 seats. Republicans would need nine Democrats to support the measure in order to reach the 60-vote threshold to pass the legislation. Trump repeated his call to eliminate the filibuster, saying, "it is killing you!" and that Senate Democrats "are only looking to obstruct," because they think it "is good for them" in the midterm elections. (CNBC / NBC News / Politico)
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/21/house-gop-immigration-trump-661214
After Trump ended his administration's practice of separating immigrant children from their parents, he says "we're sending them the hell back" and that "the border is going to be just as tough as it has been." (ABC News)
5/ Trump accused Democratic leaders via Twitter of being unwilling to negotiate a "real deal" on immigration. Last year, Trump appeared to have reached a deal House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer that would have addressed the dreamers situation. The White House later backed off, saying they wanted to take a hard line position on immigration. Trump also tweeted that "we should be changing our laws, building the Wall, hire Border Agents and Ice and not let people come into our country." (Washington Post / New York Times)
poll/ 57% of Texas voters oppose the practice of separating children from their parents at the border. 28% support the practice. (Texas Tribune)
poll/ More Democrats and independents now say immigration is the most important issue facing the country. 18% of Democrats and 11% of independents say immigration is their highest priority, up 10 and 4 percentage points since last week, respectively. (Axios)
Notables.
Trump will meet with Putin next month in Vienna, either before the NATO summit in Brussels on July 11 or after Trump's visit to the U.K. on July 13. Both the White House and the Kremlin declined to comment, but Trump's national security adviser, John Bolton, will visit Moscow next week. (Bloomberg / New York Times)
Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said he was unaware of any steps taken by North Korea towards denuclearization since Trump's summit with Kim Jong Un, who pledged to dismantle one of his missile installations. (Reuters / The Guardian)
The "Unite the Right" organizer received initial approval to hold a "white civil rights" rally in the National Mall on August 12. The National Park Service approved Jason Kessler's request but has not issued a permit, yet. The "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville led to the violence last year as white nationalist marchers clashed with counter-protesters. (Washington Post)
Scott Pruitt spent more than $4.6 million in taxpayer money on security, including $2,749.62 on "tactical pants" and "tactical polos." The amount represents a $1.1 million increase in Pruitt's total security costs disclosures from last month. Pruitt's security expenditures also include $80,000 on radios, $700 on shoulder holsters for the radios, a kit to break down doors, and more. (The Intercept)
https://theintercept.com/2018/06/20/scott-pruitt-epa-security-total-expenses-foia/
The White House plans to merge the Education and Labor Departments. The new, combined agency will be announced as part of a broader government reorganization plan. Congress would likely have to approve the merger, but it remains unclear whether lawmakers would be in favor of such a major reorganization of the government so close to the midterm elections. (Politico / Reuters / Wall Street Journal)
There's going to be so much stuff to try and fix after Trump is gone (whether that be in 2 or 6 years) and what makes it all the more sadder is that a lot of people will have learned absolutely nothing from him.
The Republicans probably won't have grown a spine/conscience, and as soon as Trump is gone a lot of people are going to go back to "Dems are just as bad/why should I vote when I'm not enthusiastic?"
Realistically, what do you think the chances of that changing are?
It depends on how the Republicans go, they're got a critical demographic problem and the inevitable transfer of power is not actually inevitable. It's possible for a party to go into the electoral wilderness in our system for decades.
We shouldn't assume that it's going to happen but a complete implosion (or fading into irrelevance) of the Republican Party is not impossible.
edited 21st Jun '18 12:55:40 PM by Fourthspartan56
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
RE Melanie- The writing for this season has really gone downhill.
They're rapidly reaching a point where their heinousness is so obvious that if any implosion is going to happen, it probably won't be that much longer.
Maybe, but I think the fact they're still in power means that they're going to stay unified. I think an implosion is much more likely if they get thrashed in the midterms and Trumps loses reelection, then they'll have the mother of all civil wars when they have to decide what to do next.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Lost in Space
The GOP won't be broken until the media power of their propaganda outlets is broken, and that may not happen on its own. The Democrats may have to engage in draconian measures that will look like violations of freedom of speech to some people. It's a Catch 22 situation — allow these institutions to endure under the banner of the First Amendment, and they will tear down our democracy. Demolish them and get accused of violating the First Amendment.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I don't know, is "don't intentionally obscure facts and the truth" or something of the like, going against the 1st Amendment. It'd probably have to worded better than that, but still. Easier said than done, I know, but for this hypothetical, how would you do that.
Asgore Adopts Noelle
Lying has been repeatedly protected under the 1st Amendment. You can lie your ass off and face no legal repercussions. The only times you can't lie are in a Court of Law (which is Perjury) and lying to a law enforcer (especially the FBI and CIA).
Pretty sure CIA ain't law enforcement.
Which is why the discussion will involve a water canister and a dirty rag.
edited 21st Jun '18 1:40:21 PM by TerminusEst
Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
I don't really agree, if their base dies out and they catastrophically fail to court the millennials then their party will either fade into irrelevance or become a regional party localized to the South.
Media apparatus won't really help with that.
Now obviously that's not something that we should waste any time hoping for, everyone should do what they can to fight against the Republican's degeneracy. But it's certainly not impossible.
edited 21st Jun '18 1:41:14 PM by Fourthspartan56
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
"The GOP is sure to die out!" he said while the GOP held all three branches of his country's government.
Why Rank-And-File Evangelicals Aren’t Likely To Turn On Trump Over Family Separation
You could just summarize it as "racism" but it's still good to look at the specifics. It might not stay like that forever though; younger White Evangelicals are much less likely to see immigrants as threatening and agree that they're being abused. But for now though, probably shouldn't expect any big turnaround (I don't think most here were, but still).
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I specifically included a bit in each of my posts about how we shouldn't assume anything.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Lying isn't protected speech per se, particularly if it hurts others (IE, Fraud). However, what constitutes "lying" is actually pretty subjective, thanks to Poe and Socrates.
A delusional person technically isn't lying to you, and many things-especially in politics-can't be proven objectively false.
"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
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Not sure if posted previously, Cohen has resigned as RNC deputy chair.
Cohen is showing he at least has the necessary lawyer skills to read a room. No one is going to defend him as a Republican because You Have Failed Me but he might be able to survive if he defects to the Rebel Alliance.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Disasturbator
wait,a Rebel Alliance?
Are they planning to blow up a deathstar?
is there a farm boy with a destiny involved?
edited 21st Jun '18 2:08:14 PM by Ultimatum
New theme music also a box
Yes, we're just waiting to blow up Trump's Asteroid Mining Laser.
:)
You know that's part of the Space Force.
"Why would we blow up the Earth, where we live?"
"GIVE ME MY PEACE MOON!"
edited 21st Jun '18 2:09:51 PM by CharlesPhipps
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Disasturbator
I just think referring to opposite party as the Rebel Alliance is just stuupid frankly.who do you mean exactly?The Democratic party?The freaking Green Party?..
Libertarians?(actually,they'd consider themselves rebels somehow)
New theme music also a box
Logically they mean the Democratic Party, considering that it's the only unified political opposition to the Republicans.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Is this the Right side of Reddit?