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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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That letter is garbage and makes me want to strangle whoever had the fucking audacity to write such delusional nonsense.
These morons really are more concerned about fighting Democrats than they are about saving the goddamn republic.
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Oh, bother.
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Yeah, the Handel campaign in Georgia 6th got a lot of mileage out of smearing Ossof as a puppet of "liberal shill" Nancy Pelosi, Rep of liberal Mordor San Francisco.
This means nothing in of itself. No support for its positions, nothing. What, were they the Party of Wall Street when they passed Dodd-Frank and created the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau?
Most of his nominees have been...opposed, with most Democrats voting against most of them. They filibustered Gorsuch. In case this person hasn't noticed, they're a minority. What EXACTLY would 'showing spine' be? Enlisting Oberyn Martell to fight Trump in single combat?
If we got rid of Pelosi, there'd be no other liberal targets ever! And how does the party just up and elect some 'actual progressives?'
We can just snap our fingers and p-....wait, did this individual not know a livable minimum wage was part of the party platform?
"We're very sorry millions of voters didn't want you to represent the party you joined to take advantage of the brand name and fundraising apparatus as its leader."
Learn. How. Special. Elections. WORK. And hey, money isn't unlimited.
A real bad hombre
Also, single payer is not the only kind of universal healthcare. People who act like it is make me inexplicably annoyed.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Anyone who doesn't vote for Democrats, as imperfect as they can be, deserves what they get. Unfortunately, the next generation, the rest of America, and every other human on this Earth, doesn't.
Entitled little accelerationists, one and all...
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Oh, bother.
I can't help but wonder how many of them actually live comfortably, usually on the dime of conservative parents.
No, but single payer has the virtue of destroying the enemies of sanity as far as health care in the US goes.
Uhm. That needs unpacking. The private insurance systems that actually work in other countries do so because they operate under a very strict degree of standardization. The regulations governing them spell out exactly what a health insurance policy must cover, what the forms for reimbursement look like, how much profit is permissible, ect. This results in much lower overhead, because as far as the hospitals are concerned all insurance policies are interchangeable - They cover the same things, the forms are the same, ect. So, for example, German hospitals dont need an army of staff to fight paper battles with the insurance industry.
In theory, nothing stops the US senate from adopting this approach. Except, the predictable consequence would be instant lobbying to wreck all that, and the very next Republican administration would shred any and all standards in the name of "De-regulation".
Single payer has the virtue - politically - that it kills the medical insurance industry. Companies that no longer exist dont pay lobbyists. So it is more stable.
Single-Payer may or may not even be constitutionally legal. There's a lot of legal nuance here.
I'd rather not go down that rabbit hole and would rather just copy Germany or France's model.
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I'm just sitting here wondering why a neurosurgeon is in charge of housing and development. Trump couldn't find something more relevant to stick that guy in?
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Providing a national standard for what insurance policies should cover is one of those things that, while undoubtedly an idea with excellent intentions, is going to run head on into "states rights" in the US the second the sentence is finished.
He's good in that field and horrible at everything else. Sound familiar?
edited 25th Jun '17 6:52:46 AM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Would that it were so simple.
I really hope Bernie was complicit in his wife's misuse of Burlington College's funds. If he were indicted, we could route these Bernie Bros and reclaim control over the machinery of the Democratic Party. It's the only way to shatter his image.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Oh, bother.
Let's not forget who is pursuing this case. Not exactly the most trustworthy or competent individual.
And again, "Innocent until proven guilty". Yes, it's annoying as hell that the hardcore Unicorn Brigaders didn't give the same courtesy to HRC. But we have to be better than that.
edited 25th Jun '17 6:56:51 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
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He's good in that field and horrible at everything else. Sound familiar? Who am I meant to be thinking of here? Churchill comes to mind, but I doubt that was the intended comparison.
But my point is that, of all the positions in government, there was nothing more relevant?
edited 25th Jun '17 6:58:06 AM by RainehDaze
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This is true, however this has been known for a year and some change and both have lawyered up, so at the very least both of them are taking it serious.
Hillary never hired legal counsel for her scandals, as far as I'm aware
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A procrastination in of itself
She'd have been a fool not to, innocent people hire lawyers all the time and for good reason.
I love how people are trying to justify their hypocracy on this one, I get it, you hate Bernie Sanders, but at least pretend to apply the same standards to him as you do others.
Also it's interesting to note the ideological opposition to single-payer here, over here being willing to admit that would get you branded a member of the right wing fringes (the right also oppose it, they jsut don't admit it).
edited 25th Jun '17 7:10:32 AM by Silasw
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Oh, bother.
Lawyering up is the smart thing to do. Problem is, too many people believe Only Bad Guys Call Their Lawyers is true to real life, and some of those people can vote.
Tactical fox:
There is no coherent legal argument against it. The federal government has the legal power of taxation. It also has the legal power to pay for the healthcare of anyone it cares to. SEE: VA, the president, ect. Not to mention the fact that medicare has been a thing for many decades.
Expanding government provision of health insurance is also not a taking. The medical insurance industry has no legal claim to the purse of their customers beyond the duration specified in their contracts - all of which can be cancelled on pretty short notice. So the fact that those corporations will scream bloody murder (and then die, from being murdered) when everyone drops them because the government is insuring them does not mean they have an actual case. Its a free market, when people stop buying your product, you go out of buissness.
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I'm interested in hearing what the constitutional argument is for the government not being able to entirely fund something on its own.
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So once AGAIN you aren't paying attention and just regurgitating the same tired argument that we just hate Sanders?
Jesus Christ, dude.
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I don't want to punish Sanders, I want him to quit screwing around and join the Democrats. He could do a lot of good- he'd have a legitimate voice instead of yelling from the outside, he'd either bring in his supporters or push them away and out of focus, and there would be one less stupid thing to fight about.
I voted for Sanders in the primary because he was very vocal about being on the left and I wanted to push the Democrats to the left. It worked- now he needs to quit fucking around.
A procrastination in of itself
I suspect that for some people the argument boils down to "I don't like it because Sanders supports it and I hate him", I would like to think that that's not the case for anyone in this thread.
Also it's worth noting that private healthcare doesn't go away under a single-payer system, contractors exist for government provided healthcare, not everything is covered by the government, some people want a higher standard of care, some people want things done quicker, etc...
Fox your hatred of Sanders in this thread is very well known, if you want to provide an actual argument for why you now support an investigation by a guy who twice luanched fake investigations into Hillary Clinton I'm all ears.
edited 25th Jun '17 7:27:57 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Oh, bother.
His explanation is that he was voted in as an Independent Senator by the people of Vermont, so he has to stay one until the end of his term.
Which strikes me as a bit of an excuse for being able to have his cake and eat it too.
edited 25th Jun '17 7:26:59 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised
If he'd stop attacking Democrats I wouldn't give a damn what he calls himself.
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A procrastination in of itself
Isn't it also demonstratebly false? We talked about the Alaska senator a while ago who lost the Republican primary, went on to win as an write-in but remained a Republican and identifies as a Republican senator. If she can be a Republican why can't he be a Democrat?
edited 25th Jun '17 7:30:36 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran