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MilosStefanovic Decemberist from White City, Ruritania Since: Oct, 2010
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#26: Jul 7th 2011 at 4:36:53 AM

I have a lot of concerns about privacy. I don't know about others, but I want the data on my computer to be all mine, and don't want to be dependent on the server. What if something happens to my internet connection? Then I'm unable to do some most basic things on the computer. No, thank you, I'm perfectly fine with my "dated" technology.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#27: Jul 7th 2011 at 4:47:06 AM

I don't know about you guys but I see cloud computing as the biggest security folly in the history of computers.

There's no way in hell you can permanently secure a public network which is what cloud computing would be working on. Anything you send "to the cloud" can be intercepted. Encryption as good as it is under some schemes isn't a be all end all defense.

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#28: Jul 7th 2011 at 6:31:50 AM

[up] ...Why not? Properly implemented SSH is unbreakable, barring rubber-hose attacks.

edited 7th Jul '11 6:31:58 AM by Yej

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EricDVH Since: Jan, 2001
#29: Jul 7th 2011 at 6:41:49 AM

Quantum brute force cracking, it slices through private key encryption like butter.

Wulf: If everyone's using it, your individual illegally downloaded music, "creepy" fetish pornography, Microsoft Word file detailing why you hate the current administration is covered up by everyone else's.
I was thinking less of trivial personal junk and more of meaty things. Journalism, trade secrets, internal documents of NGOs (and, heck, government agencies! They're the ones largely responsible for busting corruption both inside and outside the government after all.) If all of that were free for the taking, bad, bad things would go down.

Eric,

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#30: Jul 7th 2011 at 6:48:25 AM

[up] And watch me use a few more bits on my keys. O(1,000,000n) is still polynomial time. Besides, if we're allowed to use technologies that don't exist yet, Quantum key exchange. Game over. tongue

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MilosStefanovic Decemberist from White City, Ruritania Since: Oct, 2010
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#31: Jul 7th 2011 at 7:00:41 AM

Most home users have absolutely no clue about encryption. Not a good thing, I tell you.

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Tangent128 from Virginia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#32: Jul 7th 2011 at 8:45:06 AM

I still haven't figured out the difference between "cloud computing" and "renting a VPS", unless it's supposed to be "use webapps for everything!".

While I like the simplicity of a web interface (and they are much easier to program in my experience), the data still has to live somewhere. And I would much prefer it to be under my control. The canonical copy at least; online backups or repositories are very convenient, and increase overall safety.

But if Microsoft was hit by a meteor today, even the most terribly written Visual Basic app would still function. If Google up and dematerialized, maybe you could find mangled versions of your more recent docs in the browser cache.

Do you highlight everything looking for secret messages?
EricDVH Since: Jan, 2001
#33: Jul 7th 2011 at 8:59:53 AM

^^^ Quantum computers are already in the hands of large entities like governments and corporations, while doing quantum cryptography yourself would require one of these, and (my understanding of this last part may be a bit off) would also require a quantum network to transmit data encrypted in such a fashion. In other words, cracking has been made mathematically trivial for anyone with deep pockets.

Eric,

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#34: Jul 7th 2011 at 9:20:17 AM

No, it hasn't; The best quantum computer publicly known can process 4 qbits. I doubt governments have orders-of-magnitude improvements we don't know about. (Also, the hardware required for quantum transmission is just ordinary fibre optics.)

Regardless, even quantum computers can't crack 1024-bit encryption in less than days. tongue

edited 7th Jul '11 9:21:32 AM by Yej

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blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#35: Jul 7th 2011 at 9:47:03 AM

[up]31

Most home users have no idea about good security practices in general. Easiest way to get somebody's password? Ask them.

Second easiest way? Send them a file and ask them to run it, and say yes to all the prompts.

Security awareness is non-existent for most people.

Also, there's no inherent reason why a system would be completely dead without internet access, you would have to develop a very dumb terminal, and when phones are capable of running systems more advanced than most people need to do things, it's not exactly a desirable thing. Admittedly, you won't be fully capable, but how many people would be hamstrung without internet access no matter how powerful their system is?

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