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BlackHumor Unreliable Narrator from Zombie City Since: Jan, 2001
#51: Jul 2nd 2011 at 2:35:27 PM

By the way it's worded, it's clear only the single state must approve it:

that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

edited 2nd Jul '11 2:36:01 PM by BlackHumor

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abstractematics Since: May, 2011
#52: Jul 2nd 2011 at 2:42:20 PM

Yes, but what is equal suffrage? All 50 states having the same number of senators. If you have 40 states with one senator and 10 state with two, that's unequal for all 50. So technically it can be ruled that you need unanimous consent.

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blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#53: Jul 2nd 2011 at 2:43:46 PM

That would be an entirely different situation, where 40 states were affected, not one.

abstractematics Since: May, 2011
#54: Jul 2nd 2011 at 2:47:27 PM

Well, that simply means the clause applies to each of the affected states.

Oh I see. You're saying that you would need each state to approve the amendment to have it applied to all states, but it won't apply to states that refuse to do so.

Which reminds me. The 14th says that states denying equal suffrage to its citizens will themselves be denied equal suffrage. But wouldn't that clause be blocked by Article V?

edited 2nd Jul '11 2:49:31 PM by abstractematics

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blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#55: Jul 2nd 2011 at 2:50:44 PM

Nope. Read Section 2 again:

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

No mention of the Senate.

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