A lot of Fetish Fuel examples: Ryona

A lot of examples aren't works that intentionally sexualize violence against women but rather works from with someone with a ryona fetish can get their fix from.

I'm not convinced this needs examples in the first place. Female characters beaten up by male characters is extremely common in any computer game or roleplaying game that involves fighting; that doesn't mean that all or even most of those are 'ryona'.

Yuck. We can document fetishy-stuff without making everything that vaguely resembles it an example.

I say cut the examples.

Well, there are undoubtedly actual examples; otherwise it wouldn't be considered a genre. But like Moe, our examples seem to have decayed to anything that even vaguely resembles it, rather than deliberate usage.

Well, the vast majority of ryona material out there are essentially just scenes or gameplay footage of female characters getting beat up. Even the deliberate aren't all that different from the unintentional ones.

What makes this any different from Gorn?

Gore is not necessarily a component, and Ryona is pretty much about seeing female characters getting the shit kicked out of them by male characters.

I don't think this is an actual trope used in fiction, its a fetish.

Edit: Not to say that there isn't Ryona that is also Gorn, look at Ryona vids for the new Mortal Kombat game (or, don't, actually. Really.)

edited 24th Jun '11 12:18:59 PM by SakurazakiSetsuna

My thoughts exactly. There's no reason this page needs to exist. Nearly all of the examples could qualify as gorn. There isn't much need to make a page for a slight variant of it.

That and it's kinda creepy and unneccessary.

Ya don't say.

Could this be merged with Gorn?

Yeah, the example list is really a list of works where its easy to get Ryona from, I don't know if Ryona's ever been used as an actual element in a work, intentionally.

Well then, I'd say do an Example Sectionectomy and keep the article as an example of fanspeak.

man.....somebody jumped the gun.

Yeah... Someone blanked the page.

by...arsearsearse

This is a joke, right?

I restored it, although cutting the examples would probably still be a good idea.

I'm not even sure the page is worth keeping though. Yea, it's fan speak but it's just fan speak for a particular fetish.

Reported page vandal on Ask The Tropers

The only production-level 'Ryona' I've ever come across —production meaning someone's paying to create it and paying to consume it—isn't Ryona at all, it's Gyaku-Ryona, namely she-fights.com (or whatever the url is.) Where homeless men are paid to get the crap kicked out of them by women.

Sidenote: man, that was dumb.

The article begins with "Ryona is a kind of fetish video found usually on You Tube". That implies actual videos on You Tube would be the examples, not the media they're drawn from.

However: if these videos are just anthologies of clips circulated by people sharing a fetish, then they aren't tropeable. We're a wiki about storytelling. A bunch of disconnected scenes meant to appeal to a certain fetish isn't a story any more than a slide show of images of cute kittens is.

Voting for the cutlist.

edited 24th Jun '11 10:03:49 PM by Bailey

It is part of a story, though. Tropes are not story lines. They are the parts that compose story lines. Creepy or not, Ryona is a trope.

Tropes aren't just things that occur in fiction. They're devices used to produce a specific effect in a narrative, with meaningful patterns of use.

"Women getting beat up by men" is something that happens in fiction for a variety of reasons; so is People Sitting On Chairs.

If the trope is "women getting beat up by men for the sexual gratification of the audience", then the article needs to be retooled. At that point, the article is about something much, much larger than anime and video game fetish videos on You Tube, to the point where using the name is misleading. (Also, that article would need to be be exampleless, as every single example would be controversial without a statement of author intent).

Personally, I'm thinking that if you need to cut the examples, the name, and the description in order to make the trope work, it belongs in YKTTW.

Just tack on a paragraph to the effect of, "people have fetish videos of video game and anime women being beaten up" on the Gorn page, and cut Ryona. Simple.

Oh, yeah, the articleneed to be retooled. And maybe even have its examples purged (unless we can find some unambiguous examples).

It shouldn't be cut, however.