Wii U

edited 25th May '15 7:30:59 PM by burnpsy

Indeed.

We've talked about how Third Parties have essentially divorced Nintendo completely.

I doubt anything will get them back either. I mean, I remember hearing they were trying to do so back when the Wii U was in development, but apparently, that ball was dropped down a bottomless pit.

I generally consider a system's game library quality to be based on the exclusives, not so much multiplats.

Bloodborne is co-developed by Sony Japan Studio.

I also consider any IP that is owned by one of the Big 3 to be first party even if it was developed by third party.

So I wouldn't consider Bayonetta 2 to be first party but I would consider Wonderful 101 as first party.

edited 25th May '15 7:34:21 PM by Halberdier17

It was going well until EA tried to be EA and Nintendo wouldn't put up with their shit. Which was ultimately the right call, unless we wanted the Wii U to be an Origin box, but it certainly didn't help them in the third-party department.

As far as first-parties go, all the XBOne has going for it is the Kinect tech demo games and the upcoming Halo, at least that I'm aware of.

But EA is just one company. What about the rest of them?

Sales weren't what they expected.

The developers cancelled their games when the Wii U didn't meet expectations but many Wii U games were delayed at launch so the Wii U couldn't get those sales because the games weren't available.

To note, Bayonetta the IP and character are not first party Nintendo, but Bayonetta 2 the game is a first party Nintendo title, since Nintendo paid and published it. Similar to how Hyrule Warriors is a Dynasty Warriors game, which is not owned by Nintendo, but is a first party due to being a Zelda game. Though KT published that in Japan I believe.

In any event, 4 has Bloodborne along with a smattering of other exclusives, and One has its own games as well. Plus all the AAA multiplats that ensure you don't need to go through the headache of buying a strong PC. They're selling better for a reason.

That's not how first-party works. Bayonetta 2 is a third-party exclusive produced in-house.

Enderspy: There's also strong indications that Gears of War 4 is coming soon.

edited 25th May '15 7:49:36 PM by BadWolf21

The other third-parties were also miffed that Nintendo didn't consult them as to what they wanted for system specs or anything. They just showed up when the system was close to completion and showed them the console. At least, that's what a few studios claimed.

Which is pretty immature, really. "Nintendo didn't develop their console with the specs I wanted?! Well fuck them! I'm not making games for them!"

So because they didn't release these games, the Wii U didn't do well, so they used that as an excuse to not make games for it.

Takes me back to the debacle with Rayman Legends (holding back release on a finished game to make it multi-platform) and Watch Dogs (refusing to release it until the system sells more).

Your claim also sounds like something that could happen.

I'm going to assume everyone sucks and is to blame. That's usually the best choice.

edited 25th May '15 8:13:46 PM by HandsomeRob

Nintendo was quite happy to list Bayonetta in the first party section of their upcoming games. Also Devil's Third, and I don't know how the IP of that is handled. Nintendo owns Bayonetta 2, thus Bayonetta 2 is a first party title.

edited 25th May '15 8:13:49 PM by Sterok

Just blame everyone.

Be a jerk and say they all suck. You are entitled.

It's what cool guys like me do.

Eh, I wouldn't say it's immature when both of Nintendo's competitors do discuss things. Which is why the specs are fairly similar and use the same base architecture.

If Nintendo wants to get third-parties on the NX, they'll go x86 for that as well.

Truthfully, I'm afraid that even if the NX or whatever it's called has great specs, Third Parties will just stick with their 20 foot pole strategy and keep the hell away from Nintendo.

I mean, why risk it, when they know Sony and Microsoft are sure things?

I don't know what Nintendo's priority will be for the NX. They may be going after the western publishers (I don't think that's a particularly workable idea for them, but it couldn't hurt to try), they could be trying to get mobile stuff onto it, they could be going crazy again. Regardless, third parties don't release on the Wii U because their games won't sell. We've seen it multiple times already. That's business.

Looking at the PDF I posted, Bayonetta 1 was also listed as first party, and obviously Nintendo doesn't own that. Hyrule Warriors was listed as third party in Japan, where KT published it. So yeah, first/third party is just determined by who is publishing it.

But if they had done that then either the Wii U would have cost a shit ton of money at launch or they would have had to drop the GamePad. Neither of which would have been very good. The last thing I want is for Nintendo to release a console that is basically the same as the other two but with a Nintendo logo slapped on it. They have this little thing called an identity which is so hard to find in today's world where it seems that everyone wants everything to be an homogenized mess.

Because if Nintendo is more similar to them, porting for it won't be as much effort so there's no real reason not to put a game out for it.

If the rumours are true and NX has greater connectivity to the next handheld, there's also the added advantage of Nintendo dominating the traditional handheld market.

edited 25th May '15 8:31:05 PM by BadWolf21

Ultimately, sales are an important factor here, in addition to being easy to port to. If Nintendo can put out a strong-selling console with good specs, they'll see multi-plats include them, much like how several games went PS2/Gamecube or PS2/Gamecube/Xbox back before the Wii. EDIT:

Nintendo could have aimed at a middle-ground after noting everyone's wants, but it sounds like they didn't even try.

edited 25th May '15 8:33:21 PM by burnpsy

You're implying that they aren't already.

I think Nintendo should ask Wario on how to get more Wii U sales.

Zel: I mean that Nintendo dominating handhelds is an advantage for the NX if it does have greater connectivity. Not that the NX having greater connectivity would make the handheld dominant.

That they aren't already similar enough to make porting easy? They aren't.

EDIT: Oh, you meant dominate handhelds? Yeah, they already are.

edited 25th May '15 8:39:15 PM by burnpsy