Race- Privilege, Relations, Racism, etc.

I don't think they even have a real "base" anymore. He seems to be driving even more of a wedge between the more old school republicans (that hate the bastard) and frothy-mouthed tea-partiers. The latter are absolutely in love with him precisely because of his open racism. To quote one I overheard: "We'll finally have a president that doesn't pussyfoot around and coddle the spics and niggers." Some of them rather glowingly call him "America's Putin".

edited 6th Jul '15 12:50:58 PM by carbon-mantis

Why has Vlad become the archetype for every right-wing chucklehead who can't stand the idea of anyone but his golf-club chums deciding the fate of the nation?

Well if fox news are any indication they want him because he "loves america" which seen to confirm that many republicant are emocionally driven people, as long the guy "loves the country" everything is fine.

Again, racism is not veiled.

Obama has been the target of racism. The education system is skewed against minorities. News coverage of violence against black or other minority vs. how instances with white people. Statistics back this up.

If anything, it has become so normalized it is harder for people to grasp how pervasive and problematic it is.

In the Will Ferell film, The Campaign, one guy running for senator in South Carolina opens the movie by saying he stand for Freedom, Jesus, and America. When his campaign manager asks him what that means, he cheerfully admits he has no idea, but the people love when he says it.

edited 6th Jul '15 1:20:31 PM by Parable

because is not outright racism, only nutbjobs said women deserve to be paid lest or black are dangerous, even when "everybody knows"

to said in other way, we have some standar to tolarate racism, is just this standar are growing thin

Calling the White House the monkey porch is just as outright racist as saying a 12 year old black kid shot by the cops is a man who smoked weed while the 21 year old white kid who gunned down a black senator is a kid with mental health issues.

Fuck that hypocrisy.

Fuck that racist double standard.

Just because you aren't calling for crosses to be burned doesn't make your judgment of natural hair or telling black men if they just pull up their pants they wouldn't get arrested as much any less racist.

This isn't a spectrum.

This is very clear and nothing will progress the way it should because people refuse to call racism for what it is. There is no "racism light". The grandma who locks her car door as a black kid walks by is just as Much a real racist as the Aryan Brother serving 25 years.

I have to disagree, it is a spectrum, and the grandma who locks her garage or whatever might qualitatively be a racist, but that act of safekeeping her property because of percieved danger is not quantitatively contributing to the systemic issues of minorities as much as the aryan brother serving 25. To call for grey areas to disappear is to call for a fucking panopticon above us all, and I don't like that.

You didnt understand Vandro.

You can see it down here. People will be driving and if they are idelling by a light or waiting in traffic, and a black person walks by, they will magically lock their car doors. As if that guy is going to just mug them all of a sudden.

I have even tested this out with my friends. You can hear the automatic locks click, how people suddenly roll up their windows just because a black person is close.

A flock of white people can go by and nothing happens. But one black person and magically it is a threat to your safety.

They do it to us whether we're wearing hoodies or suits.

NYC Doesn't Fly Confederate Flags, But It's Still A Shrine To Slaveowners & Slave Profiteers

edited 6th Jul '15 5:42:55 PM by rmctagg09

Sounds like New York. I go to a super liberal suny school, and half our dorms and buildings are named after influential plantation owners.

It's very difficult to get people to understand that racism is not based on logical thinking. As I've said before, I've been an acquaintance to people who have been blindingly racist when I or other people they happen to dislike are not present.

This rationalization typically goes along the lines of being one of the "good" ones, and the implications therein should tip you off to the idea that you're dealing with a person who doesn't understand the importance of consistent, aggregate respect. The false sense of solidarity (a term the importance of which I absolutely cannot stress enough) often accompanies this assumption about "good" marginalized people versus unruly ones, and it's the reason why you hear a misogynist say they have a wife who agrees with them, a person who hates blacks while violently rooting for LeBron James while he plays on TV, or an anti-Semite who prefers Jewish bankers.

Again, bigotry is not based on rational thinking. By its nature, it does not make sense, and associating with the people you secretly or not-so-secretly hate does not expunge that faulty logic.

There are some truly honorable, heartwarming people down here, and we have values and traditions worth upholding just as any other culture on the planet does. I'd rather not market and proliferate the idea that Le Garcon, Gabrael and I are experts on racism just because we've lived in a region rife with explicit demonstrations of it, but that racism has been perpetuated down here and elsewhere chiefly because it is expected and normalized.

It's not that the racism of the South is especially bothersome. It's that it is illustrative of a worldwide trend I'm seeing where people are less concerned with addressing the ugly side of culture and history and more concerned with feigning comfort and a "fun" atmosphere. Hopefully, you can see the irony of this. We typically tout the "Crying Wolf" parable with regard to faulty accusations when we should really be using the Cassandra parable from the Iliad because it's a more appropriate model of how we talk about bigotry - ignoring it and denouncing legitimate criticism as "outrage culture" or "social justice warrior" witch hunts ^note  If you're rebuttal is "well, some SJW types are big old meanies", you're completely missing my point . Calls to attention on bigotry are being written off as conspiracy theories rather than unfortunate empirical commonalities, and the demand for empathy and cultural literacy is being pathologized.

You know what? These articles and this research paper cover the point I want to stress. Tobias Drake's post was absolutely spot-on, by the way.

edited 6th Jul '15 6:21:46 PM by Aprilla

"This isn't a spectrum."

Actually it is, not in how racist you are, but in what efect your racism action then to hold.

Let me explain myself:as far people are concern if they aren killing black people in sight or demading a return of slavery or any hate move, everything is "fine" and you are whinning for atention, people lock the door in front a black men? of course they are just being "carefull" they dont trust them in a job? well they just want the "best", a white man shoot 9 persons?...well, he is just a nutjob.

This is pretty much dobule think: they hate what Dylian did but feel defensive when flag is brogut on, after all a lot of people used the flag an "nothing happen", a pretty comon doblethinking.

Or if you let me put in blunt terms, as long corpses dosent fall, nothing change because there is "no need" to change at all

I'd ascribe the whole thing to a more general trend of disliking any form of conflict, as a direct result of the Cold War. These are people who honestly want to believe "the fight is done, war is won, lift your hands towards the sun", instead of accepting there's still work to do if we want a better world - a lot of it.

I've always suspected there being an element of wishful projection with the constant media coverage of the millennials. (Keep in mind that the generation described above would be typically the parents of the millennials.) They're supposed to be an example of this new paradigm of a post-conflict world, even though it's obvious that world doesn't currently exist, and extremely unlikely that it ever will.

While we may not see eye-to-eye about how to specifically address racism in the U.S., I think we can both agree this "millennial" mentality does nothing to help further that cause.

edited 6th Jul '15 7:22:56 PM by TotemicHero

Because in a techical way the civil right "won": women,black and gay can vote, they are seen as people, you cant have slaves and calling a women a "bitch" is awfull,etc

But people like to think is like a movie: when you defeat the big bad the whole think crumble and disapear and callt it a day, when dealing with race and sex views is even harsher, people like to think in very simplistic term as far they are concern, if they aren any "big" think black,women and gay can go against it them they are "whinning"

New Texas history books will downplay slavery, omit KKK and Jim Crow

Told you. They've already convinced everyone racism isn't a problem today and they're slowly convincing everyone racism never was a problem.

Oh aye?

- Alexander Stephens.

edited 7th Jul '15 12:04:16 PM by Achaemenid

The Double Think confuses me greatly.

It's not double think, it's lying and whitewashing.

This isn't ignorance, it's malice.

Unless you accept that people are being intentional in their actions we cannot change their actions.

That may be true of the authors, but what about the children who'll be raised on these textbooks? Won't they be getting a bit of a mixed message? I know I would be confused if my parents told me we weren't racist yet also display the mindset and vocabulary of Uncle Ruckus:

It's been going on for so long many just sort of go through mental gymnastics to justify it. The Texas textbooks are just a reflection of the believes already pervading the white, racist South. Case in point, look at some of the things these people say from this cross-post from the US politics thread:

Confederate flag supporters rally in Mississippi capital.

At least it was only 40 of them.