First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
The thing is, my main point was that this attitude is not motivated by racism or bigotry in my opinion.
Edited by jawal on Mar 12th 2024 at 2:54:07 PM
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@Hey Mikey I was responding that the part where jawal said they do not want to make moral judgments. I told them that saying that something is understandable could make it seem like they are making a moral judgment. Otherwise, I'm aware of the fact that understandable can mean two different things.
Edited by Risa123 on Mar 12th 2024 at 3:57:40 PM
Anka Aquila
It's sad that something like empathy is considered weird.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
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Racism and bigotry are a spectrum and people can have bigoted beliefs without considering themselves ideological bigots. If an immigrant thinks one other group is getting it "easy" when that easiness is several thousand mile up-rooting, they may have bigoted beliefs. If they say people going through the asylum process are cutting in line, but rich people from their own community gets a fast pass for their kids is fine, they may have bigoted beliefs. If they say one group is a bunch of criminals, or think every person who speaks Spanish in a different dialect is an "illegal", they may have bigoted beliefs. I have family members who blame having to fill out extra forms for tax related bureaucracy at the county court on the border crisis, but they would never say their views are based on racist beliefs. They're Trump voters, btw. And they themselves might believe in their heart they aren't racist. Under some definitions, maybe they aren't, just uncritical and selfish. But their beliefs and actions perpetuate a racist system all the same.
Edited by HeyMikey on Mar 12th 2024 at 8:26:08 AM
And I was not talking about people from one natioanlity/group/community discriminating against another natioanlity/group/community, a la an Egyptian man is okay with his own people immigrating, but think that Algerians aren't worthy of going to the West.
I am talking about Egyptian people who think that other Egyptians who come after them are having it easy, compared to them.
This is not bigotry or racism.
It may be classism or elitism. But it is more akin to MMO players, who get annoyed over their game being simplified recently to cater to those "nobs" who just don't want to make the effort to "get good.".
It is not motivated by an "internal racial discrimination" against people from their own country.
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For the record, the post I initially responded to was made by @Devak when he wrote:
Edited by jawal on Mar 12th 2024 at 4:09:04 PM
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Industrious Incisors
It may be classism or elitism.
Actually, classism as such does fall under bigotry.
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You are correct.
I was using the term above as a synonym for racism.
Edited by jawal on Mar 12th 2024 at 4:58:35 PM
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Foreign Troper
"It may be classism or elitism."
It is tribalism, plain and simple "when we do it is because we have legit reason, you the other, do it for the hell of it" the first thing we do is belief our action are resonable and the other is not. Also with inmigrants it also the fact while it happen, it dosent often happen that much.
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Edited by SeptimusHeap on Mar 14th 2024 at 6:52:50 PM
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I mean, I might be envious, but I can't actually imagine that I would want anyone to not have opportunities just because they didn't exist for me.
But then, I've been told I'm weird for that.
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