Rewrite or cull examples: Seen It All Suicide

Seen-It-All Suicide

The write-up for this describes a very specific standard gag from the Golden Age of Animation, but almost all of the trope examples for media other than Western Animation, and links to the page from other tropes (eg Who Wants to Live Forever?) are using it to describe the trope of "emortal or very long lived character kills themselves out of ennui". The latter probably should have an entry, so create a new one? Or rewrite this one as that, with the cartoon gags as a group of examples?

edited 25th May '11 7:03:40 AM by LondonKdS

Fixed tag.

London Kd S,

I think rewriting the trope to make it more inclusive would be a good idea just because most of the examples do not fit the rather specific animation gag mentioned in the trope description. I guess a soft split of the examples (i.e. what you recommended) would be a good way to deal with that.

Taking a look at the wicks, I think there is even more support for that soft split since at least a decent number of them are not animation examples.

edited 25th May '11 10:09:14 AM by LouieW

Two completely different tropes. Split 'em. I'd recommend keeping Seen-It-All Suicide for the current definition and using Immortal Ennui for the other.

Edit — also, holy crap Who Wants to Live Forever? needs trimming.

edited 25th May '11 10:09:01 AM by NativeJovian

^ I agree. Two completely different tropes, and Immortal Ennui Suicide (or something like that) needs to be YKTTW'd

Supporting a split. The gag goes, character sees something totally bizarre, goes "Now I've seen it all" and kills themself. One's played for laughs, manytimes as a throwaway gag, the other's for drama and really has more of a 'tired of life but can't die' thing, sort of tying into Who Wants to Live Forever?. Totally different tropes.

edited 25th May '11 11:40:05 AM by savage

Wouldnt it be easier to just retool the trope description so it focuses less on the Played for Laughs aspect of the trope, rather than making a separate trope? Doing two tropes would run the risk of Seen-It-All Suicide fading into obscurity and being nothing more than "whenever Immortal Ennui gets played for laughs, that's what this trope is. "

And upon reading that over, I guess renaming the trope might help.

I made a page action crowner here offering split and non-split options. I am not sure I really described the choices that well, so if someone has a better idea of what they are, I would appreciate if that person could check the crowner and edit it as necessary.

I agree with 2x N. I think that given how often Seen-It-All Suicide is used now to mean the dramatic version of the trope, it is a better idea to just expand the trope's description rather than split it.

edited 26th May '11 10:35:03 AM by LouieW

I vote to split. The played-for-laugh versions aren't usually about characters who are undying, or even particularly old. I'll do a YKTTW for the new version and find the links from work or other trope pages as appropriate.

I'm not super opposed to splitting, but rather than a specific animation gag, it's often used just as a passing joke or comment, like in the Yu Yu Hakusho dub entry. Let's not make it overly specialised.

edited 26th May '11 1:15:08 PM by Daremo

I agree with that. Seen-It-All Suicide should be about the general sentiment of "Now I've seen everything, nothing left to live for" Played for Laughs, though the specific animation gag is worth special mention.

edited 27th May '11 5:37:57 AM by NativeJovian

It looks like the consensus is to split.

The crowner shows clear consensus. Why was this thread left to rot?

edited 9th Oct '11 2:24:17 PM by Insignificant

No one wanted to be the one to make the new trope?