LGBTQ+ Rights and America

Now that's the way to go. Bravo!

... grumble grumble page topper.

edited 25th Mar '14 7:38:06 AM by Fighteer

that's funny as hell right there.

Vice President Joe Biden says ‘it’s outrageous’ that ENDA is still even being debated.

Michigan Governor Rick Snyder (R): Michigan same-sex marriages ‘were legal’ but won’t be recognised, confirms.

The american restroom saga continues. This episode: Boys restroom.

Seriously? If children are "afraid" to use the bathroom because of scary transexuals... gosh... I wonder how that idea happened? <_<

edited 30th Mar '14 5:13:40 AM by Euodiachloris

I wonder if any of those parents care about what transgender kids are afraid of.

According to a comment one of the female assigned at birth persons used the urinals, which was probably an usual sight.

So, why the "fear"? Seriously... giggles at best: they're kids. <_< I really don't get it.

Seriously? I am not sure.

From my perspective, as an adult who trained often in locations where the choice is either to wait until one sex is done with showering and dressing or to tacitly forget the whole segregation: If a person with female looking genitals would drop their underwear and squat over the urinal next to me, I would be hard pressed to maintain the usual etiquette and not check whether said person learned to aim. That would be all.

But children, probably because they are still learning the rules, can be a lot more excitable about crossing invisible lines than jaded old farts like me. And fear is rarely rational and often culturally based. My first guess for the offensiveness of the act would be something along the lines of indecent exposure.

edited 30th Mar '14 7:49:02 AM by blauregen

I can't help but feel the person in that example is missing the point of urinals somewhat. They're just a more efficient way of evacuating one's bladder that takes advantage of certain anatomical differences between the sexes. If you lack said anatomical feature then trying to use one will result in undue hassle because they're not designed to be used that way. If they were they'd put them in women's restrooms too.

Clearly the solution is to go bootcamp style and ensure no bathrooms have any degree of privacy at all. No stall doors, no bathroom doors, no dividers. That way everyone can be equally uncomfortable.

It occur to anyone that bathrooms are based off sex and not gender? The distinction is a big thing these days

Most people don't treat those as different traits.

@Joe That sex is what you're born with and gender is either what you feel you are or what society says you are?

Well somewhat. Seems it'd be hard for a woman to use a urinal. Though a man could probably use a changing table. ;p

one of many ways a born female can use a urinal.

@Joe: The problem is trans kids are being singled out and vilified, made targets for harassment and possibly even violence. You don't do that to children, no matter what your ideology is.

See, if you've got one of those it's fine. If you haven't then attempting to use a urinal out of some sense of principle is just going to make you look silly.

edited 30th Mar '14 11:12:05 AM by Elfive

I'm with Euo on where the 'fear' will have come from. I can easily imagine the conversation between the kid and parent going like this.

Kid: "[transgender kid] used the urinal in the loo! it was funny" *giggles*

Parent: "But [transgender kid] is a girl! what was she doing in there?"

Kid: "Nope, [transgender kid] is a boy, he said so"

Parent: "O my little darling, you must be scarred for life"

Kid: "No, it was just silly is all"

Parent: "No dear, you're scared for life and just don't know it, now come with me and you're going to tell everyone how afraid you were"

Kid: "But mummy, it was just silly"

Parent: "No buts, we're going to go outside and you're going to tell everyone how [transgender kid] made you afraid. Do you understand me?"

Kid: "Yes mummy"

Edit: Spelling fixed.

edited 30th Mar '14 3:07:00 PM by SilasW

Scarred for life. Two r's.

Parents are scared for life. They don't like the idea of boys or girls growing up to believe that they could be girls and boys, and then get too associated with the other sex.

edited 30th Mar '14 11:35:08 AM by Keybreak

You don't think a transgendered boy wouldn't have arranged such accommodations in order to feel more comfortable in their skin?

Besides, it is no ones business.

I thought the first rule of urinal etiquette was keep your eyes to your own damn self

Indeed it is. Probably the closest most men will get to being wolf-whistled at in the street is unsolicited urinal chat. Creepy as fuck.

edited 30th Mar '14 3:19:01 PM by Achaemenid

Apparently they decided to block the urinals temporarily and instruct all students to use the stalls, until they can partition them off.

Oh well, a friend once joked that urinals are male privilege anyway.

Never been a fan of urinals precisely because it often entails standing next to another dude. With a stall you at least get some illusion of privacy. I'm fine with a urinal but only if i'm alone in the place.

I've actually used something like those she-pee things when backpacking. Really nice when you're 20 miles from an actual restroom.

I don't think it's so much 'principle' that causes people to want to use the urinals. More a dysphoria thing. If it makes them feel more comfortable with themselves, then they possibly don't care if it takes an extra bit of hassle.