LGBTQ+ Rights and America

Err, a lot of the past "persecution" that Protestants suffered was not being allowed to persecute other people. They wanted to leave England because England wasn't hardcore enough for them. That's been a part of American Christianity from the beginning. There's always been an undercurrent that they are being persecuted if they don't have the right to suppress dissenting opinions.

3xI guess I can buy that. Prejudice can affect people for a very long time.

So it makes no since to me that we get a hard time when we're still going through it and some of us don't handle it as well as some people would like. It's frustrating to be told you're forcing things on people when you're just trying to stand up for yourself.

edited 16th Oct '12 7:08:31 AM by Morgikit

Well, honestly Morg, I think part of the reason that American Christians can be such blowhards is because is the past presecution Protestants suffered.

This has taught me personally that we can never let the past lead us down the path to becoming the very thing we despise.

OK, so what about the Catholic Church's massive downer on homosexuality? We're not going to blame that on Nero and the lions, are we?

Wait, they're still blaming us for Nero? Fuck...humanity really needs some kind of statute of limitations thing on outrage.

They'd never agree on where to set the bar.

edited 16th Oct '12 9:01:53 AM by Morgikit

WE'RE LOOKING AT YOU, ISRAEL AND PALESTINE.

Since when has the concept of impartial fairness and protocols to ensure this ever been a goer with a group of dyed-in-the-wool bigots? <sardonic eyebrow raise>

edited 16th Oct '12 12:34:08 PM by Euodiachloris

Only when it benefits them.

In response to National Coming Out Day, Ann Coulter suggests National Disown Your Son Day.

She's just upset she doesn't have any kids to disown, I guess.

I forget. Which side of Poe's Law is Ann Coulter one?

The side that makes people hate humanity.

And yet this doesn't even rank in the top 5 most controversial things she has said.

Wish I could say I was surprised, but nah.

When I first heard it, I almost mistook it for an Onion article...

@post 5537: Fuck Ann Coultier. I'm going to dust off a sexist statement and say that someone needs to smack a bitch.

edited 16th Oct '12 9:45:47 PM by drunkscriblerian

EDIT: Never mind.

edited 16th Oct '12 9:50:41 PM by LMage

Why go for sexism, though? It's not like you're short on options - there's plenty of ways to insult someone/register your outrage without doing the same thing they're doing.

Personally, I can't help but like the sound of a 'National Disown Ann Coulter Day'...

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the right embodies values like caring about and protecting your family yet they allow them to do this. I guess love isn't a thing anymore.

Let's ship her off to the worst part of the Middle East. She can finally live in a society that shares her values. As long as she keeps her face covered, and doesn't leave the house without her husband's permission.

They would probably argue that disowning an openly homosexual (they hate the g-word) child is no different than disowning a child who steals from you to support their drug habit, or is a bank robber or a serial killer. To them we're mentally ill at best, unrepentant criminals at worst. Some of them (not all of them) might go so far as to suggest not honor-killing them (Leviticus 20:13) is an act of mercy in itself.

edited 17th Oct '12 6:05:38 AM by Morgikit

They see homosexuality as a disease that will consign you to eternal damnation. Any measure taken to purge their children of the sinful gayness is an act of love, even if the love in question is a bit on the tough side (see also, disowning your kid, subjecting them to electroconvulsive therapy, and so on).

Fundamentalist beliefs can be disturbingly logically-consistent once you figure out what premises they're operating from.