"And I'm saying I think it's perfectly correct to hold someone responsible for deliberately constantly emotionally abusing someone over a lengthy period of time. And ironically, you're just 100% proving my point why we need to: because people mistakenly think that emotional abuse is something that's no big deal and can never have any profound effects.
I am not denying that some people overreact to being made fun of, so, no, I am not "100% proving your point." I am saying that if someone says something rude to you, then they're being a rude person, but that's not something that should be legally actionable. If it becomes a consistent pattern and you don't either learn to avoid talking with them or learn to disregard them, then the problem is your own lack of personal fortitude. The other person's still being a dick, but there's no reason you can't get over it.
"Actually there are tons of different levels of physical injury too.
Really, I never would have guessed. The point is that in all of those cases, there is a real, objective, physical detriment to the victim, which can be objectively weighed. That is not the case in emotional reactions.
"If you don't think we can at all empathize with another human being's emotional state, and somehow decide what to do about it, then I wonder what you think advertising is about.
Manipulation of other people emotion's to get them to buy something is not really the same as bullying them. In any case, I never claimed that people cannot empathize with each other's emotional states and react accordingly, but that such reactions and emotions are not of a sufficiently objectively definable and consistent nature that they can be ethically legislated.
"I really think you're reasoning from a premise that isn't congruent with either the state of the law, or how others are impacted.
Actually, the applicability of laws on emotional "abuse" and the way people are affected by emotional matters are exactly the point I am arguing from.
"Instead, you seem to be taking an absolute hands-off approach that I feel is blinding yourself to the harm that will cause.
Um, no. I am saying that the law has no place in governing people's words, or legislating penalties for emotional reactions. It is something that should remain on in the personal realm, where people should discourage bullying or rude language.
"I'm not saying there should be laws against it, just that it should be treated the same way physical abuse it, and however you think that should be treated is pretty much up to you, as I have no strong leaning towards one way or the other.
Except it is not abuse
, or at least not clear-cut enough a form of abuse to be legally controlled.
"If you make one or two cruel comments, then yeah, you're just being a jerk. But if you go out of your way to try and make someone's life as miserable as you possibly can, and then, surprise, they're miserable and commit self-harm - some of the blame rests on your shoulders. Because you set out to make them miserable.
Maybe in some grand moral sense, but not in any really applicable way.
"OK, with the analogy of falling down stairs. Maybe you pushed someone down the stairs because you wanted to hurt and humiliate them in front of their peers. They fall down the stairs, hit their head on concrete and die.
You didn't deliberately kill them. But their death is your fault.
Yes, because you actually did something to them.
' You can tell someone "I really wish you'd fall down the stairs" all day, but that won't do a damn thing, because words cannot cause people physical harm.
The person you pushed down the stairs is harmed because you actually, intentionally harmed them in an objectively definable action that you knew would cause them harm.
"I, at least, am instead talking the sort of systemic, repeated emotional abuse that causes mental disorders or suicide. Where it's pretty clear that there's being a concerted effort made to hurt the person emotionally regularly and badly, even if the abuser isn't consciously thinking "Yeah, I hope Alice kills herself/goes insane!"
Once you get to the point where someone is systematically bullying you verbally, you should know that they are just being hostile to you. If you are so lacking in personal fortitude that you choose to harm yourself over it then it's your own damn fault. The very idea of holding one person responsible for another person choosing to harm themself
is ethically and morally reprehensible. You may as well charge razor manufacturers because people cut themselves with their product. Either way, the individual who harmed themself is responsible for their own actions, yet you are punishing another for them.