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 3601 Inhopelessguy, Fri, 23rd Mar '12 3:18:41 PM from Birmingham, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
Part of the LIGHTS Army
1.40 a litre?

Holy crap. And our friends across the ocean are complaining about <does mathematics> 64 pence per litre?!

"... and students, this is an ancient relic from the Oil Age. it is called an ey-pod. It was a gift given by the great Steve Gods to the ancient tribal democracy of Grand Britain."

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 3602 Octo, Fri, 23rd Mar '12 4:53:40 PM from Germany
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Who still needs to specify "unleaded petrol"? You couldn't even get leaded petrol here anymore... Anyway, you have to remember that in European countries most of this is taxes. So it's not like European countries have it so much harder to gain oil than America, but that they tax the shit out of them. Because 1) it's a godo sense of money and 2) discouraging people from making useless car drives is a good thing.
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You can't get leaded petrol here either but its an Artifact title thing
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Plus we get things like Super Unleaded so there'll be three options at the pump: unleaded, super unleaded and diesel.
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 3605 pagad, Fri, 23rd Mar '12 4:59:29 PM from perfidious Albion Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Sneering Imperialist
discouraging people from making useless car drives is a good thing.

So raising the price of cheap alcohol is class warfare, but hindering the ability of the poor to afford driving isn't?
 3606 Octo, Fri, 23rd Mar '12 5:06:15 PM from Germany
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Yes, because for the most parts you don't have "high class petrol". There are no-brand petrol stations, of course, but most people use brand petrol stations anyway. So for the most part, everybody uses much the same petrol as much the same prices. Meanwhile, minimum alcohol prices make just the cheap alcohol more expensive, i.e. the alcohol the less well off people will buy.

Mind, of course, if you want to discourage people from using teh car you better have a good public transportation system in place...
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 3607 Flanker 66, Fri, 23rd Mar '12 5:10:32 PM from 30,000 feet and climbing Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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^^It does indeed seem rather disingenious. And really, I believe that "class warfare" doesn't come into the issue of curbing binge drinking; it's a matter of public health. As for the issue of people finding solace in alcohol, perhaps we should look at methods of getting them back on their feet.

I must admit I have little grasp of how economics works, but since we're more or less sitting near oil fields you'd think that fuel would be cheaper (unless they're deciding to export the vast majority of it).

edited 23rd Mar '12 5:10:47 PM by Flanker66

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 3608 pagad, Fri, 23rd Mar '12 5:21:03 PM from perfidious Albion Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Mind, of course, if you want to discourage people from using teh car you better have a good public transportation system in place...

Unfortunately we have the most ludicrously (and I do mean ludicrously) expensive rail network in Europe. On a personal level, I prefer driving to any other method of transportation you'd care to mention, and the dire state of public transport in this country only reinforces that. Bottom line, I'm fed up of paying through the nose to travel any real distance in my car when every alternative is just as expensive and much more unpleasant.
 3609 Inhopelessguy, Fri, 23rd Mar '12 6:40:15 PM from Birmingham, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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That's basically the problem in Britain. Our public transport network isn't as bad as the Americans, but in terms of the EU, it's pretty pisspoor. Considering that our rail network is privatised to a bunch of companies that have near-monopolies - with state funding - it's hard to actually get decent trains. Intra-city transit (e.g. public buses, trains, trams) are okay - if you actually live in one of the seven metropolitan areas - due to economies of scale, basically. Our inter-city network - especially trains - although not terrible, is still pretty shoddy.

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@Hope, its worse if you live off the beaten track because petrol is more expensive and the public transit system is non existent
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 3611 Greenmantle, Sat, 24th Mar '12 1:02:43 PM from Britannia Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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[up]

...and that's with a fuel subsidy (which is going to be reduced from April). And anyway, even Councils won't fund a bus full of thin air (which has always been the case).

[up][up]

Considering that our rail network is privatised to a bunch of companies that have near-monopolies - with state funding - it's hard to actually get decent trains.

Firstly, Railways are Franchised by the Government. Companies have lost franchises (remember Central Trains?) and others have been taken from companies (East Coast) — the Government is in control, of everything from arranging the ordering of stock, to setting fares. Incidentally, that is why some fares have risen — the Government is reducing their subsidy of the railways.

A little useful article: Here.

By the way, the first time Rail Nationalisation was called for? Gladstone in the 1830s.

The time the State took full control over the Railways? 1948.

edited 24th Mar '12 1:09:06 PM by Greenmantle

 3613 Inhopelessguy, Sun, 25th Mar '12 9:56:27 AM from Birmingham, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
Part of the LIGHTS Army
Woah, crap.

I can see the Daily Mail:

30MAR12 "BRITAIN TO BREAK INTO CIVIL WAR BETWEEN DECENT PEOPLE, GOVERNMENT"

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 3614 Greenmantle, Sun, 25th Mar '12 10:23:52 AM from Britannia Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
"Per ardua ad astra"
Soldiers stand by to drive petrol tankers as part of contingency plans to stop a strike plunging Britain into chaos: Well, that's the Mail article — no sign of Class Warfare there. The comments are another matter, I guess...

Radical plan to create new Midlands city on green belt land to cope with population growth: It might be the Daily Mail, but it's on Channel Four News as well.

If you're wondering, hopeless, it is planned to be in the Merdian Gap between Birmingham (well, Solihull) and Coventry.
 3615 Inhopelessguy, Sun, 25th Mar '12 10:27:55 AM from Birmingham, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
Part of the LIGHTS Army
Bah. It's only the Meridian Gap. It serves little purpose as green belt, considering that there's a lot of green belt already around the Greater Birmingham Metropolitan. Ah. Ah. This is where it gets interesting. Meridian is a Conservative stronghold.

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 3616 Greenmantle, Sun, 25th Mar '12 10:33:50 AM from Britannia Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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...and aren't they the ones Proposing it?

That it's a Town or City doesn't mean it has to be Labour, you know!
 3617 Inhopelessguy, Sun, 25th Mar '12 12:02:47 PM from Birmingham, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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Indeed. That's what's interesting. A Conservative government are going to build over a stronghold.

Now, that indeed is true.

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 3618 The Bat Pencil, Mon, 26th Mar '12 12:46:30 PM from Glasgow, Scotland Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
BBC Panorama are talking about how NDS, an Israeli security firm funded by Sky, attacked Canal+ and brought down Ondigital (later ITV Digital) by hacking digital cards and leaking information online via groups like THOIC.

BBC link

edited 26th Mar '12 12:51:48 PM by TheBatPencil

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 3619 Inhopelessguy, Mon, 26th Mar '12 12:52:11 PM from Birmingham, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
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NDS, an Israeli security firm funded by Sky, attacked Canal+ and brought down Ondigital (later ITV Digital) by hacking digital cards and leaking information online via groups like THOIC.

...

What the fu—

There's unfair competition, and being fucking illegal.

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 3621 Inhopelessguy, Mon, 26th Mar '12 2:30:40 PM from Birmingham, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
Part of the LIGHTS Army
This is going to suck.

You know I'm a pushover.

So you pushed me over the edge.

Thank god you think I'm good in bed.

 3622 Greenmantle, Mon, 26th Mar '12 2:50:10 PM from Britannia Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
"Per ardua ad astra"
Definately.

My job is driving — in fact, I spoke with the Manager about this earlier this evening. Right now, he's going to play it by ear and see how it goes.

I remember last time.

And in other News:
Figures obtained by the BBC using the Freedom of Information Act showed handover delays remained "very high", with 1, 794 hours lost at all hospitals in the south of England in February 2012, compared with 1, 094 hours in February 2011.

edited 26th Mar '12 2:51:02 PM by Greenmantle

Decemberist
Ed Miliband attacks David Cameron's judgement over Tory donations

A sting by the Times paper, possibly firing the first shots of the Murdoch empire's war against the Government, found that the Tory party was selling dinners with the PM to donors so they could lobby him directly
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 3624 The Bat Pencil, Mon, 26th Mar '12 2:59:18 PM from Glasgow, Scotland Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
I already know of one local pump station that hasn't had any fuel in it for about a month now. How long is the strike supposed to be for?
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 3625 Minister, Tue, 27th Mar '12 12:00:35 AM Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Do Not Go Gentle
Planning system awaits overhaul in England

Yeah, this includes parks, playgrounds, recreational centers...but they won't get built, this'll be for office blocks, supermarkets and large houses, I think. Most people need to build small properties, which is still ridiculously obtrusive at times.

Sometimes, the Coalition doesn't try to hide the fact they don't care.
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