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    Original OP 
(I saw Allan mention the lack of one so I thought I'd make one.)

Recent political stuff:

  • The vote to see if Britain should adopt Alternative Voting has failed.
  • Lib Dems lose lots of councils and councillors, whilst Labour make the majority of the gains in England.
  • The Scottish National Party do really well in the elections.

A link to the BBC politics page containing relevant information.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#29501: Jun 26th 2017 at 8:09:43 AM

What really confounds me is that — as others have mentioned on this thread — this alliance was completely unnecessary.

They need the DUP votes to account for possible Tory rebels, even the DUP abstaining on some votes could cause the Tories to loose key votes.

That's before you consider that the DUP might actually vote with Labour, it's the DUP, they give no shits and could do anything, sure they won't vote with Labour on most votes, but all it takes is a single vote of no confidence and the Tories are out.

edited 26th Jun '17 8:10:31 AM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Khudzlin Since: Nov, 2013
#29502: Jun 26th 2017 at 8:10:46 AM

[up] And not a moment too soon...

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#29503: Jun 26th 2017 at 8:17:04 AM

It can be a moment too soon, depending on what Labour's strategy is for the case that they become the government before the Brexit process is completed i.e when they'll become the fall guys for Brexit. ~Silas W, are you aware of what that gameplan might be?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#29504: Jun 26th 2017 at 8:21:38 AM

Yeah, Labour is probably better off politically not forming a government just yet, so the Tories can't blame them when Brexit punch the UK in the throat.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#29505: Jun 26th 2017 at 8:28:57 AM

At the same time, a lot of people seem to be counting on Labour to prevent Brexit from being a complete clusterfuck. Hopefully they don't have unrealistic expectations of Labour saving the day — at best Labour would probably only be able to make Brexit a 70% clusterfuck.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#29506: Jun 26th 2017 at 9:12:01 AM

We're already in a clusterfuck: there is no escaping it at this point. Maybe mitigating it, but that's about it. We hit the clusterfuck event horizon when May did her "Brexit is Brexit" bravura speech of stupid after most Brexiteers made like rats leaving a sinking ship rather than touching the leadership position themselves.

The only thing we can do is pick how epically we splat or bounce against the pavement. tongue

edited 26th Jun '17 9:15:11 AM by Euodiachloris

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#29507: Jun 26th 2017 at 9:12:52 AM

I know our current focus for Brexit is to look at a Soft Brexit of sorts, any details beyond that aren't information I have access to (all my Labour contacts keep failing to get elected to national office).

At a guess I imagine we'd try and play some political games, a Labour government might be able to convince Europe to give us an extension on the divorce process, avoiding the Tories dropping us in the shit.

Plus with the Tories having been in power for a while now a fresh Labour government might be able to do what Cameron did and spend a fair amount of time blaming everything on "the mess left to us by the last government".

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#29508: Jun 26th 2017 at 10:29:33 AM

But this time it would be true, a global banking crisis caused by American banks can't really be blamed on Labour... unless you live in the same La La Land as the Tory's

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EruditeEsotericist Since: May, 2015
#29509: Jun 26th 2017 at 10:32:13 AM

Someone has recut Monty Python and the Holy Grail with Theresa May, and it is glorious.

Seriously, best 2.5 minutes you'll spend all day, it's really amazing!

edited 26th Jun '17 10:32:25 AM by EruditeEsotericist

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#29510: Jun 26th 2017 at 10:37:48 AM

[up] ...Was that Macron blowing raspberries at May?! Glorious. [lol]

Disgusted, but not surprised
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#29511: Jun 26th 2017 at 6:30:33 PM

Double post for topic change:

Political figures line up to demand more money for their regions after DUP agrees confidence and supply arrangement

Okay, who didn't see this coming? Besides May.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#29512: Jun 27th 2017 at 4:52:47 AM

[up]Could be worse.

Could be what I just saw on the news (Sky) about fears that there's been a systemic, top-down Hillsborough cover-up of the figures of the Grenville dead to try to prevent rioting. Anybody want to guess what will happen if that proves to be the case down the line, whenever that should come to light, if it is remotely true?

Anybody?

edited 27th Jun '17 4:53:28 AM by Euodiachloris

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#29513: Jun 27th 2017 at 4:58:31 AM

[up] If that's true...that would be bad. That would be "marching on Parliament" bad.

Disgusted, but not surprised
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#29514: Jun 27th 2017 at 4:59:55 AM

Remember when the British had a reputation for being boring?

Me neither.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
annemarisa from Liverpool Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#29515: Jun 27th 2017 at 5:01:17 AM

Well, when the articles about survivors of Grenfell being rehoused were coming out I saw a number of references to 200 people (presumably rounded); so probably about 300-400 dead depending on the total occupancy at the time. And it is only because there were a significant proportion of Muslims there and it was during Ramadan that it isn't worse. Last I heard presumed dead was only 79. Someone's fudging the figures.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#29516: Jun 27th 2017 at 5:01:35 AM

[up][up]I miss boring times.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#29517: Jun 27th 2017 at 6:10:02 AM

[up][up]The presence of undocumented residents and visitors also made things difficult.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
EruditeEsotericist Since: May, 2015
#29518: Jun 27th 2017 at 8:02:51 AM

As expected, Sexit Ref 2 is postponed

Interestingly, their allies the Greens are up in arms about this, insisting that a referendum should still go ahead. The Greens pushing for independence stronger than the SNP...not exactly what I expected.

In lighter news, a newsagent who lost his legal fight over being called Singhsbury's has renamed his shop to Morrisingh's. Morrisons are completely cool with it, claiming he and his customers have good taste. Good guy Morrisons there!

RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
Figure of Hourai
#29519: Jun 27th 2017 at 8:17:25 AM

Can we please not call it Sexit. It's bad enough talking about a breakfast cereal all the time.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#29520: Jun 27th 2017 at 8:33:46 AM

[up]"Scexit" sounds like it belongs in The Dark Crystal, though. Get those skeksis out! winktongue

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#29521: Jun 27th 2017 at 9:07:47 AM

Indyref 2: Electric Boogaloo?

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#29522: Jun 27th 2017 at 9:23:51 AM

Sexit Ref 2 sounds like the sequel to a cheap porn flick that nobody really wanted.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#29523: Jun 27th 2017 at 9:50:35 AM

Not sure if they are fudging the figures or if they have simply not managed to search the whole building yet, but yeah, the was the government handles the "how many died" question does feel dishonest.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#29524: Jun 27th 2017 at 10:01:13 AM

So I was browsing The Guardian as I am wont to do these days, and this caught my eye.

Council refuses to back down after Sikh couple denied chance to adopt white child

A council that denied a Sikh couple the chance to adopt a child over their “cultural heritage” is refusing to back down, despite the intervention of the prime minister and the equality watchdog.

British-born Sandeep and Reena Mander said they had wanted the chance to adopt a child of any ethnic background. But they were refused the chance to apply by Windsor and Maidenhead council’s agency, Adopt Berkshire.

It said that as only white children were in need, white British or European applicants would be given preference so the couple could not put their names down as potential adopters.

Experts expressed astonishment at the case as it appears to clearly flout the Children and Families Act of 2014, which ended the practice of allowing only ethnic matches for adopted children.

The Manders’ case was taken up by their MP, Theresa May, in the form of a letter to the council, and the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC). But despite the intervention and a round of media interviews given by the Manders on Tuesday, the council is sticking to its decision.

This is fucked up on so many levels.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#29525: Jun 27th 2017 at 10:28:29 AM

There doesn't need to be a coverup - tower fires make it an absolute bitch to identify bodies. For reference, there were approximately ten thousand people in the World Trade Center when it got hit, and it's generally assumed that more than half didn't make it out alive. The official death toll is just under 3,000, and the last casualty was identified in 2008.

What's precedent ever done for us?

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