Abolishing prisons

If they're a repeat, violent offender, I could probably persuade myself to justify the concept. But other than that, they're still human beings. Unless they find a way to provide conclusive evidence with every case that can have the death penalty as an option, and said case involved the suspect committing a violent crime, they should not be killed.

To add on to that, I would only consider it if it was a more humane way of execution. The currently accepted form of death when it comes to the death penalty is via lethal injection. They're known to cause extreme and brutal pain to the recipient and is death is not instantaneous.

edited 5th May '11 3:49:57 PM by HerrKman

In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

"Keeping and feeding a criminal for life? Or just end it's existence right here and now."

Dehumanize much?

Enjoy the Inferno...

...you're nitpicking such a tiny detail?

^^ You're forgetting that they're a human beings...that are stupid enough to commit the crime in the first place. Assuming we're talking about murderers, they're human beings who intentionally broke the rules knowing full well what's coming for him. They accepted the risk of being executed if they did something as foolish as murder in the first place. And you still haven't addressed the fact that death penalty is the ONLY 100% assurance that they will not re-offend. It's a hell of a lot cheaper to just end their life than keeping them alive for the rest of their life.

And as for lethal injection being too long and painful...try a heavy and razor piece of metal falling onto a neck. Not that it matters whether it's painful or not. They're criminals in death row.

edited 5th May '11 3:56:56 PM by Signed

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

It's a crucial detail that seeps into your outlook.

Enjoy the Inferno...

No, it's a hell of a lot more expensive.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost/page.do?id=1101084

edited 5th May '11 6:05:16 PM by StrangeDwarf

"Why don't you write books people can read?"-Nora Joyce, to her husband James

^ Hey don't ignore what I just typed in the previous pages.

edited 5th May '11 4:05:30 PM by Signed

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

How do you know they INTENTIONALLY committed their crime, fully aware of the consequences, let alone actually DID it? Like I said, I want conclusive, 100% accurate evidence and for the suspect to be a repeat violent offender before I even consider the death penalty.

The guillotine was known for being a humane form of punishment by death during it's time of use due to: A. The death being almost instantly instantaneous. And B. If death was not instantaneous, the removal of the head usually cut off nerve receptors in the brain that would signal pain, thus, removing the brutality of it.

If it were to be performed in privacy, with precautions made, I MIGHT accept it. Even then, it'd still have to meet my earlier requirements for me to agree with the idea.

However, the use of it in public and the aftermath which usually involved the public display of the severed head on the other hand, that would have to be negated. If you disagree with me on this point, then I'm not even going to discuss this any further.

edited 5th May '11 4:07:15 PM by HerrKman

In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

Which part of it?

edited 5th May '11 4:06:51 PM by StrangeDwarf

"Why don't you write books people can read?"-Nora Joyce, to her husband James

You're kidding about your tax dollars, correct? Because I can't fathom someone with such a juvenile mindset actually paying their dues. Criminals in solitary confinement are being kept as zoo animals, even less so with their being deprived of any interaction with other people. Being a human requires much more than food, clothing and shelter. But since you don't seem to regard anyone less than a saint as human, I guess that's a moot point.

You do realize how many people have been executed on false charges, right? Leaving them in alive in prison gives any supporters a fighting chance in exonerating the innocent inmates.

Crimes are not black and white affairs. It is puerile to think so. Let's pretend it's the 80s. Mom can't support me and there's nowhere in the inner city that'll hire a ten-year old; I sell crack to put food on the table. Now pretend it's the fifties in rural Alabama. An officer harasses one of my friends for not being white and I'm in a position to intervene. Badge or not, I beat his ass to defend my friend. Is this to say I condone these crimes? No. But it's important to understand the psychology as to why they're committed. Preventing these situations from happening helps with the long-term goal of bettering society as a whole.

edited 5th May '11 4:50:17 PM by KitsuneInferno

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt." - Some guy with a snazzy hat.

And I repeat, execution costs more than life imprisonment.

edited 5th May '11 5:05:05 PM by StrangeDwarf

"Why don't you write books people can read?"-Nora Joyce, to her husband James

^^ Whose more juvenile? The one who just replies to another's post? Or the one who replies, but also goes out of their way to call the other person juvenile?

Exactly.

^ I already addressed that in one of the previous pages.

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

One gains empathy through maturity.

edited 5th May '11 4:54:09 PM by KitsuneInferno

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt." - Some guy with a snazzy hat.

I don't think you read the links.

"Why don't you write books people can read?"-Nora Joyce, to her husband James

I did. And it looks like you didn't read what I typed in the previous pages.

I said I would prefer to fix the current system so that it wouldn't be so frivolously expensive to just go to court, let alone sentence a single person to death.

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Also, both links you posted are HEAVILY biased. One of the site's slogan is even "Working for alternatives to the death penalty"

Imagine a hypothetical site that devotes itself to worshipping the RTS genre and nothing else. And then proceed to write an article about why RTS's are better than RP Gs.

edited 5th May '11 5:11:46 PM by Signed

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

Link substituted (with the most neutral thing possible). Point still stands.

Your comment about frivolous expenses was referring to life imprisonment, not death penalty, so... whatever. But in death penalty's case, the money is spent in making sure the person who will be executed is guilty. I suppose you'd prefer to just kill them already.

edited 5th May '11 6:20:23 PM by StrangeDwarf

"Why don't you write books people can read?"-Nora Joyce, to her husband James

I wouldn't actually care if whatever execution method that was used was incredibly painful. If we're going by violent crimes alone, then they gave up their privilege of being treated as a human back when they committed their crime.

Through the eyes I have known you.

You know, I used to think like that, too. Up until this week, once I saw the country collectively losing their shit over bin Laden's death. I originally thought, "Hey, good! The guy responsible for 3000 deaths has been finally taken care of." That's before I realized the levels of barbarism my fellow countrymen would stoop to had they been given three seconds with his corpse. The way I see it, dehumanization goes both ways. You can convince yourself that you're watching the execution of a monster, but you have to take a look in the mirror if you actually enjoy it.

edited 5th May '11 6:01:57 PM by KitsuneInferno

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt." - Some guy with a snazzy hat.

Yeah, I honestly don't see that as barbarism at all. If something is a complete and total monster, I see nothing wrong in anything that happens to them.

Through the eyes I have known you.

Then you are not much better than they are.

edited 5th May '11 6:07:56 PM by KitsuneInferno

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt." - Some guy with a snazzy hat.

I'm no better than a guy responsible for the death of 3000 people. Yeah, no. Seeking revenge and retribution is not a bad thing.

But now I think we're getting off topic.

Through the eyes I have known you.

Except for the fact that revenge gets you nothing. I've said before, the families of victims generally don't feel better after watching a murderer's execution. Justice does not equal vengeance.

edited 5th May '11 6:11:45 PM by KitsuneInferno

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt." - Some guy with a snazzy hat.

I'm going to chalk it up to different values. For me, I do feel better in that situation. That's just me.

Through the eyes I have known you.

"For most violent crimes I think there are better alternatives than prison." - Love Happiness

... why?

In reality, I don't believe you would.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt." - Some guy with a snazzy hat.

Pity I have experience with that then.

Through the eyes I have known you.