We Are All Pokemon Trainers Discussion

...What is this?

Magcargo's a gastropod made of lava.

edited 8th Sep '12 10:29:56 PM by rmctagg09

As requested.

Also, what are the other factors besides raw power which were apparently implied in chat but not specified?

Wolf: A pseudo-move, which is basically a last-ditch defense mechanism for the listed mons (except Arceus, for whom it is just another power for casual use :P). It consists of pretty much burning everything in the immediate area with an extremely powerful aura of heat. Not for use in competitive battles, or any situation where not killing everything is required. :P

Onion: Presumably the ability to rapidly produce heat in all directions, and maintain said heat.

Lava doesn't seem to be very convective in most fiction, this RP included.

And Wolf, remember back when Helios burned that warehouse in the AU? That was Heat Shield.

edited 8th Sep '12 10:35:26 PM by Eskay64

Ah.

I would take Magmortar off of there, personally. It's not one of the fire-types that I think of as being naturally hot all the time.

Heat resistance (It would kind of suck if you killed yourself with a heatstroke.) and sustained heat generation.

edited 8th Sep '12 10:36:37 PM by rmctagg09

With a base stat of 80, and no Flash Fire, Magcargo doesn't even meet the standards in the chat (which was 100). Typhlosion gets Eruption and Lava Plume and has sufficient firepower as well.

Also, sinA / a = sinB / b

edited 8th Sep '12 10:36:19 PM by Tropeless

I don't know numberology.

Also, I was also thinking of Typhlosion. Gets Flash Fire as a Hidden Ability too, if that means anything.

It's not a matter of such arbitrary things as stats.

Stats aren't completely arbitrary, though. They're the only things we have to objectively measure the strength of mons. Shouldn't that be taken into account?

Not in this case.

What way is there, then, to gauge whether or not a Pokemon should be able to use the move? Appearance? How cool it is? Movepool? (First two are obviously subjective.) Could you please explain what factors do need to be taken into account for a mon to learn it?

edited 8th Sep '12 11:11:54 PM by OnionShew

Very high heat resistance (It would kind of suck if you killed yourself with a heatstroke or spontaneously combusted.), omnidirectionality, and the ability for sustained heat generation (Which I consider independent of the Attack stat since just because you can shoot one super-powerful flame doesn't mean you can keep it up for a while.)

edited 8th Sep '12 11:19:00 PM by rmctagg09

Okay, thanks. So is there any way this could be decided rather just 'oh, this mon could probably do that, it just looks like it can'? If omnidirectionality is important, then move pool could be used, and might be able to be used to judge for sustained heat generation, but how would heat resistance be gauged without using abilities like Flash Fire or defense stats? I don't think it's comletely unacceptable if they can't be, but I'd much rather something like this be decided upon using objective factors if possible. Though, if the move doesn't see much use and mostly just remains one of those things that exists in WAAPT but not canon, it really doesn't matter very much. But if it starts to become a common thing in battles, it seems to become a whole different story...

I kinda think Typhlosion should be able to use it. Also, possibly Entei if he's not already on there.

What about Rapidash? They can manage omnidirectionality if Fire Blast is any indication, and I'd say a mon with fire for a mane and tail can both stand heat and sustain it.

(Though my HC on Rapidash is that their mane and tail only get hot when they want it to be.)

By the way, an important service announcement: My iPod is officially, utterly, screwed. The touch screen won't work, and I can't even get to the passcode keyboard without turning it on and off, and then it's so messed up I end up with an n when I try to type e and can't backspace.

As a result, I will no longer be able to go online at night in bed like I usually do. So… yeah. Sucks.

edited 9th Sep '12 7:01:48 AM by Crewe

Silent post.

Some questions regarding future arcs:

Rt AU

I have some plans I might do, though they would require the following things:

• The WEPON is successfully used somewhere before AU!Crow's appearance

• AU!Crow gains access to a P->H Armband, hopefully in a way that doesn't introduce another to the universe (regardless of whether they are effective on monified humans)

Would this be too much? Will reconsider if so.

Conquest

Could we have a list or something made with which warrior is in which region and who's in charge of each one? Would be easier to keep track of

And is Sea Travel going to be a common thing? If it isn't, Every's Pirate Ancestor could be a very valuable asset.

Sea travel will be very common, since it's one of the few ways to get between Pokepan, Unova, and the other, scattered regions.

Also, I think that zeppelins would be something that exists, even though the time period is wrong. They're in the game as a visual representation of moving to a non-adjacent country, and they're just so cool in a time period when they shouldn't exist.

Me!Post

Just pointing this out: having a definitive list of mons that could potentially use Heat Shield now lessens the likelihood of a horrible argument later if someone were to misuse it and us rushing to a decision.

Magmortar still doesn't make sense to me. Sure, it has high heat resistance. I don't think it has high enough heat generation, though. Whereas Magcargo is literally made of superheated material, Magmortar is just a flaming...whatever it's supposed to be.

(I kinda forgot to mention Heatran on the list of mons that could potentially pull off Heat Shield.)

Magmortar is a flaming...Golduck that lives in volcanic craters and can shoot fireballs about as hot as a oxyhydrogen flame. So yes, I do believe they could use Heat Shield. (Not that I want some proliferation of the move for "kewlness" when there's only three beings in the RP that actually know how it works.)

It also just doesn't look like it's capable of omnidirectionality.