General Star Wars Animated Series

Some of the Legends stuff actually had the Separatists fighting on the side of the Rebellion. I kind of wish the new EU would show that sort of thing,

Yeah I'm disappointed that Rebels doesn't pay more attention to former separatists.

Why would they?

Even leaving aside that the entire leadership was slaughtered by Vader, or that the battle droids were all recalled. The Rebellion's actual name is the Alliance to Restore the Republic. Which is basically the exact opposite of what the Separatists would want to do.

I wouldn't mind more Kalani.

The logic was basically this. They left the Republic for various reasons. The Empire, despite having a different name and government, is the successor to the Republic. They don't want to join whatever New Republic comes about but that still doesn't mean they like the Empire trying to conquer them. It's basically a Not in This for Your Revolution thing.

That's still potentially hundreds of ships, and millions of soldiers specifically designed for war though...

Like, the B1s severely need an upgrade to their AI, but they're still good at carrying blasters and shooting them.

I still want a later show or novel to reveal that Kailani founded a Droid society on some remote planet. Star Wars doesn't have any synthetic races with their own government to my knowledge.

I could watch an entire trilogy (not helmed by Rian Johnson) about Kalani.

I was actually the one who first added him into the character page.

Look how far my baby has gone

edited 18th Dec '17 6:33:19 AM by Gaon

Kostya: I don't buy it.

First of all, there are almost no Separatists left. Like I said, they have no leadership, and their droids were recalled. And no, they're not all sitting on some warehouse planet somewhere just waiting to be reactivated. The Confederacy was not controlled by people with legitimate gripes against the Republic, it was controlled by Darth Sidious. Once their purpose was served, there's no way he'd allow them to retain their military force. Any holdouts were almost certainly swiftly put down by the newly-minted Stormtroopers. Kalani is the exception, not the rule.

Second of all, just because they don't like the Empire doesn't mean they're willing to work with the Rebellion against them. As far as the Separatists would be concerned, they're both the Republic. If whoever's left is still fighting the Empire, they wouldn't be doing it as part of the Rebel Alliance.

I don't think they used Droids. They just supported the Rebellion. I'm trying to remember where I found this. It probably wasn't in one of the major books.

According to the series' wiki, it was in a role-playing book expansion.

But it's not in the new canon, and honestly, I prefer it that way. It doesn't make sense to me that they'd want to join or aid the Rebellion when their goal is explicitly to reestablish the Republic they didn't want in the first place.

edited 18th Dec '17 7:51:59 AM by BadWolf21

They may very well have had specific reasons to oppose the Old Republic, but the New Republic may very well be beneficial to their purposes. The prequels don't really get into the politics behind the movement, but The Clone Wars show that many worlds left the Republic because their senator felt the Republic was too inefficient and corrupt. Not all the Seps were anarchists and/or would be local dictators who oppose liberal democracy...

"Different from last time" is not what the word "Restore" means or implies.

Why on earth not? The old one failed. No one in their right mind is going to rebuild it exactly as it was. Hell, they didn't even put the capital on the same planet.

...Because it's not what the word means?

And why would what few Separatists remains (I still hold that there basically aren't any, but for the sake of argument) believe the Alliance when they go "No really guys, it'll be different this time."

Because the problems that the OR represented might very well not be around to be relevant this time around? Because even in our own history, people have allied with historic enemies? The US rebelled against the UK, but the two are currently staunch allies? They were enemies in the war of 1812, but allies by the time of World War 1.

The US even nuked Japan, but to this day the two nations are economic allies, and the only reason they aren't military allies is because Japan officially has no military.

edited 18th Dec '17 10:39:24 AM by blkwhtrbbt

Wasn't there that one Rebels episode about the Spectres coming across a derelict Separatist ship still manned by droids who managed to evade the general shutdown order following Order 66? Ezra persuades them to resist the Empire once Imperial forces arrive, but the droid leader calculates that the Rebellion has only a 1% chance at succeeding, and chooses for his forces to stay and fight a delaying action so that the Spectres could flee.

It was a holdout planet, and it featured Kalani- the guy we were just talking about.

edited 18th Dec '17 11:23:55 AM by KnownUnknown

I just really want a return of separatist tech. I LOVED the b1s and vulture droids myself. They're lethally dangerous to people who don't have Plot Armor and you can't Jedi mind swindle them unless you're a hell of a slicer.

Not quite Kalani and some of his droids fled too. Kalani refused to join the rebellion because it had too small a chance of succeeding. However Word of God is that Kalani felt the odds were high enough after the destruction of the First Death Star to join with the rebels and did so.

The only thing funnier than Kalani going "well, that was fun. But you guys are fucked. I'm out of here" is the fact that the Rebels essentially respond with "yeah, that's fair" and let him go without complaint.

edited 18th Dec '17 3:47:24 PM by KnownUnknown

I refuse to beleive the separatist populations would accept the empire without military resistance. They employed military resistance to the Republic and the empire is even worse.

We know that the rebel apiance isn't a room of people who all agree, it's mostly a whole lot of rebel cells. Tied together with some string and sunk costs.

If the separatists aren't fighting with the rebel alliance (which is understandable with Mon Mothma in charge) they'd have to be fighting their own rebellion.

A problem is that Star Wars is rather attached to its binary moral conflicts. The Rebellion, in terms of what binds them together, is depicted almost like Star Trek's Federation: a bunch of idealists, who expect everyone who comes to fight alongside them to adopt those ideals - and the narrative result is the same, with most characters who switch sides to the Rebels adopting their desires and ideals in general, often almost instantly.

The Star Wars canon has barely ever made room for the idea of the Rebellion having portions of itself with different goals and objectives, or parts of the Rebellion who fight for reasons that have nothing to do with the rest of the organization's ideals. In the current canon, the only character I can think of who is portrayed as sharing the Rebels' mission but not their perspective of what the conflict needs to be is Saw Gerrera who... yeah... is established as a pariah from the Rebellion.

It's something that's been basically standard for the Star Wars universe for decades, and even the old EU didn't really commit to subverting it that much. But people are starting to want different kinds of perspectives from the brand, which is why when Battlefront 2 did this tried-and-true story again there was a bit of backlash to it.

edited 18th Dec '17 7:03:45 PM by KnownUnknown

Most of the surviving separatists were killed in the months after Order 66-without the droid armies and fleets, the organic military was comprehensively crushed within a year, leaving only a handful of separatist holdouts. Palpatine used the last campaigns as an excuse to bring most planets under direct Imperial control, then used the last few partisans as boogeymen to justify the continuous expansion of the military and police state long after they were reduced to a footnote; eventually, the Rebellion gave him an actual enemy.

Which is not to say there were no leftovers-while the Imperials scrapped and recycled everything they could get their hands on, there were huge numbers of leftover droids and war materiel, ending up on the black market or left to rust after being lost. Thrawn tracks down a Rebel leader by tracing specific Separatist war droid materiel said Rebel was employing; and Cham Syndulla manually rebuilt and formatted a huge swarm of vulture droids as part of an assassination plot targeting Palpatine and Vader.

edited 18th Dec '17 7:06:44 PM by ViperMagnum357

Seriously, why are you people so convinced there are even still Separatists able to fight?

Palpatine and Vader wiped out the Jedi, with almost 100% success. Why would the Separatists be any different? They were a faction led by Palpatine from the shadows for the express purpose of sowing discord in the galaxy, but once their purpose was served, he would not want them interfering with his shiny new Empire. The first thing he would have done is dismantle them from within (which we know happened thanks to Kalani's recall orders), and then send the Stormtroopers to finish off any holdouts.

There are no Separatists anymore.

Thank you!

edited 18th Dec '17 7:08:25 PM by BadWolf21