Planned Parenthood's government funding cut

Hey, our district has a Democrat. It's not my fault that there's more people across the country that are so easily swayed by the media.

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I'm pretty sure they're trying to cut social services because it's money being spent on something they don't care about when it could be going toward something they like. There's a difference.

Fight smart, not fair.

Which has the same net result of "letting people die".

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@Deboss: same result. A vital public service is cut because of a silly, outmoded, emotional and hypocritical belief. A great example of democracy in action.

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@Drunk G

Because your section just so happened to be full of families of democrats that didn't watch Fox News? So much of this whining would be solved if the general public decided to get more educated on these topics instead of clinging to what they've been told by a few sources that aren't exactly trying to make their views objective. Whine all you want about Fox News and Republicans being terrible, but it still won't change the fact that democrats have much of their own services that do the same and democrats have had plenty of faults in the past.

Want to fix the problem? Go get people to actually find out what's happening and hope they, unlike so many others, won't just hop on the respective bandwagon. Or you know, get people out and voting so that way we at least can have a democracy not weighed down by sloth.

edited 6th Mar '11 12:32:23 PM by Usht

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

@Karkadinn: Once again, it's not just abortion that the antis are after. It's birth control and condoms and HPV vaccines and all that.

I have not, nor never have been, a proponent of the "democracy is effective" meme.

Motive is still considered a rather important thing to begin with.

Fight smart, not fair.

Which may not entail "the representative works in his constinency public's interest in this one issue".

I hope I don't need to make a map for this. My descriptions do tend to drag on a bit.

Yeah, if the representative doesn't actually represent well, the people should have noticed this by the next time elections come around and pick someone else better fit for the job. Good thing representatives have shorter periods in office. Of course, this all falls flat when no one bothers to read up on what said representative is doing and actually gets to the voting booths to vote in the matter.

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

In response to English Ivy... while there is some support for attacking those as well, I seriously doubt there are anywhere near the same raw numbers or passion. The 'abortion = murder' concept serves as a rallying cry for Christians of all stripes and colors, as well as for other generally conservative religious believers who go for the general concept of a soul.

By contrast, the only prominent Christian faction that takes a stance of 'birth control = murder' are the Catholics, and even they're gradually giving in about that over time. Note the Pope saying it's okay to use birth control if you would otherwise spread an STD, etc.

Yes, people who believe the one is wrong tend to also believe the other is wrong in a general sense, but there's a huge difference in magnitude. 'Birth control = promiscuity' is not nearly as powerful or universal a call to arms.

Also backing up what Usht posted. Yeah, I believe that states having equal representation is an abomination and that there are still plenty of kinks in the system, but by and large the government works the way it does because the majority of people allow it to do so. Republicans do rely on financial backing, but they also rely on the votes that socially conservative people give them. And there are a lot of socially conservative people in the country. If they had one without the other, they likely wouldn't be viable opposition for the Democrats.

(And Usht, dude. Your posts make me want to hug you. Stop that!)

edited 6th Mar '11 12:47:47 PM by Karkadinn

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.

Self-Thumped for off topic-ness.

edited 6th Mar '11 1:07:41 PM by Enkufka

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Wait, are you implying it's humane to kill the poor?

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Oh, well good, this isn't a one way deal.

This is rather tangentially related to the topic to be honest. And more so, you're backing up the (originally Republican) idea that the US should be policing the world. Perhaps you should worry less what goes on outside of the country when we're dealing with internal matters.

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

You're right, it is tangential, and I apologize for that. This is the first debate topic I've made so I'm trying hard to keep it on topic.

However, I was trying to point out that life here in the US is not roses and gold either. I don't think we should be policing the world, leave it up to everyone.

Here's an article about the funding cut.

edited 6th Mar '11 1:00:41 PM by Enkufka

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@Karkadinn: These people have broadened the definition of abortifacient to include the pill. They aren't going to let that go.

Enkufka, just because a lot of people have a poor quality of life doesn't mean that they shouldn't have a right to it. I'll assume that this isn't what you're arguing for, though, so I ask you to rephrase your argument (and yeah, put it in another thread).

But yeah, this isn't good news. This sort of thing is helpful to improving the quality of life of a lot more people.

EDIT: Wait, what, really?

edited 6th Mar '11 1:06:35 PM by EthZee

@Eth Zee: Yup. And according to that article, PP is already forbidden from using federal money to provide abortions.

Yeah.

If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~

Yes, really. In the more socially conservative states, it's quite common for birth control pills to be denied.

Not only that, but consciousness clauses also can be extended to deny condoms to people.

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@EI

[citation needed]

@Enkufka

Well, I can guarantee it's not in the gutter either, yet. I've actually covered this topic already. According to data collected, Americans can typically afford to pay rent at some sort of house, get food weekly, etc. However, vertical movement (in other words, moving up and down the economic ladder) is decreasing in the system, which lead me to think that raising taxes was the answer. For one, it'd help reinstate programs like PP since we'd have money for it.

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

First result in Google. Second. Third.

edited 6th Mar '11 1:18:28 PM by EnglishIvy

@Usht: I've seen some of your arguments in another topic. It makes sense to me and I do agree on the Raise taxes idea. It certainly does seem like an attack on the poor. Here in WI (Not sure if you're here too) Our Great Leader Scott Walker is trying to put the control of Badger Care, the local medicaid, into his back pocket along with other means to give money to the rich from the poor.

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Another link. I'm almost curious if the Republican's cutting funding to PP was related at all.

edited 6th Mar '11 1:25:08 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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@EI

Umm, that's actually one of the most well balanced articles I've seen in a long time. Granted, it has a conservative view, but it actually does acknowledge how the pill works and has done its research. The topics in question in the article are currently up for debate, but I don't see anything extremely radical in there. However, it still hasn't shown me the mass broadening of the definition of abortifacient in the court of law, it just merely shows me an argument that's conservative in nature.

EDIT: Reading the second and the third that you probably didn't bother to look at yourself.

edited 6th Mar '11 1:27:36 PM by Usht

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

The birth control pill counts as an abortion now? Well, geez, I'm getting an abortion every month then, and I didn't even know it.

edited 6th Mar '11 1:27:08 PM by LoniJay

Be not afraid...

@Usht: "Planned Parenthood of Wisconsin, the state's leading abortion provider, advocates increased access to birth control and the morning-after pill to curtail the rise in abortion. It is even lobbying for free birth control as basic health care under Obamacare. This would only fuel an already out-of-control epidemic of sexual promiscuity, ST Ds, teen pregnancies and, of course, abortion.

In fact, the growing dependence on, and widespread availability of, pre-implantation abortifacient birth control has resulted in an increased demand for post-implantation chemical abortions. When birth control and the morning-after pill fail to eliminate the "problem," post-implantation chemical abortion (RU-486) is seen as a speedy, convenient "solution." "

edited 6th Mar '11 1:31:35 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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