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Hear that, Generations?
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I think the Adventure games should get remakes. They've got good stuff in them, but they're admittedly held back by nobody having any clue about how 3D games worked back then.
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edited 21st Mar '17 7:26:57 PM by Grounder
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I remember back when Sega had just become a third-party developer. I'm pretty sure that Sonic Labyrinth was typically considered the worst Sonic game back then.
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The only duds were Gaiden Games that nobody cared about; even the least liked of the mainstream games (arguably Sonic 1 and CD) aren't actually bad, but just overshadowed by the better games of that era.
And I say this as someone who entered the series with Sonic Adventure 2 and has some bit of preference for that era as well, it's really not that solid despite my love for it. Which is why I want remakes for it...but that's a pipe dream at this point.
edited 21st Mar '17 7:31:14 PM by BlackYakuzu94
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Honestly, you could make a case for some of the spin-offs and the handhelds not always being up to snuff, but as for any duds in the console games? Not really, no. 1-3, CD, and even Knuckles Chaotix were all fine games; nothing really wrong with them. Whereas the Adventure games have treasure hunting, as well as a LOT of cases where you end up plunging to your death due more to faulty game design then your own incompetence. They're still good, but at least to me, it's the Classic Era that's really stood the test of time.
edited 21st Mar '17 7:31:45 PM by kkhohoho
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As a Modern Sonic fan Classic's mechanics are still excellent, while their designs are hit-or-miss, and the difficulty to select levels is a dealbreaker for me when playing platform games.
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Designs of what?
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level design.
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How so? Because they play just fine to me, and aesthetically, they beat the socks off of the Adventure games.
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I agree with the last sentence.
edited 21st Mar '17 7:44:38 PM by RAlexa21th
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Sonic's one of those series where recreating what it's in 2D isn't that feasible in 3D; even Mario's 3D outings are pretty different from his 2D ones. That said, I do like 2D game's level designs and simply vast they are.
Really hope Mania capitalizes on that, but not's to say I don't enjoy the 3D levels as well.
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See that's why I just want Generations 2.
I think they translated Chemical Plant to 3D quite well. It's my favorite part of Generations besides the GUN truck.
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At this point, it's the only thing they can do that won't piss people off; people just wanna go fast, so they did just that.
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Nope, it still piss "boost to win" people off.
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"Shrugs"
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That's a negative...
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I like the modern playstyle, but it's far from my favorite. It's mostly (or entirely) nostalgia speaking, but Sonic and Shadow's playstyle from the Adventures are still the best Sonic experience in my opinion. Just the right balance of speed and platforming and if they would try to improve on it, it could be something really special.
edited 21st Mar '17 9:17:04 PM by LordVatek
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Yeah blackyakuzu gotta disagree with you there. Personally I enjoyed post-classic games because I found legitimate enjoyment with them and there are many others who feel that way as well. In fact I could even enjoy some of them in ways that I couldn't do with the classic games, something a lot of sonic purists don't understand about their appeal.
People need to stop acting like the whole NO GOOD SONIC GAMES AFTER CLASSIC is some sort of common fact.
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It's not that I don't understand their appeal, remember that I did say my first entry into the series was Sonic Adventure 2 and my primary exposure to the series were the dreamcast era. I thought it was the coolest shit ever, but I was a pre-teen, I didn't know any better.
Years later, as a 23 year old with some clarity, I can look back and understand things better. Yes, I think the intense dislike towards the 3D games is incredibly overblown to the point where it's not even funny anymore, but that doesn't mean those games did not have their fair share of numerous issues that simply dragged the quality down.
On a purely technical standpoint, the 3D games simply are not well designed in that regard. I don't have any knowledge or real insight on game design whatsoever, but I feel like half of the things in the 3D games just shouldn't have been present at the time and probably the biggest offenders towards the series` massive identity crisis.
That's not to say there wasn't anything good about them, but at this point in history, whatever that is decent about them is just swallowed up by the massive amounts of controversies over their issues to the point where merely speaking highly of them in most circles just opens the floodgates of people saying they were "never good" and that "The newer games are better, so why bother"
It's gotten to the point where people are legit starting to believe there was nothing of value from the earlier 3D games and that the series would just be better off forgetting they ever existed, a notion that Sega themselves seems to endorse as they're going out of their way to divorce themselves from the dreamcast era outside of references like Generations.
This is why Classic Sonic gets so much attention and love, because people are also convince that the Classic games are the holy grail and can do no wrong (to an extent, it's true but they are kind of overatted in that regard too) and that Classic needs to be alongside his modern counterpart. It's telling that the most acclaimed 3D game in the entire series is the one with both Modern and Classic. Basically, Classic is associated with everything "right" about the series and should continue to be endorsed while Modern represents the "dark ages".
If anything else, the recent games only make Classic fans feel more vindicated because Sega is "listening to them" and "bringing Sonic back to his roots" by ignoring all of the "unnecessary" stuff from the pre-Unleashed era. It's not an fact that the Classic games are better than the 3D games, but the fanbase and gaming community sure as hell are determined to convince us otherwise and hammer the notion that there's nothing of value in the earlier 3D games.
edited 21st Mar '17 10:02:19 PM by BlackYakuzu94
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What I want to know is where the Advance and Rush games fit into all this. The problem with them is that they were made during the early 3D era that the rabid fanboys would tell you everyone hates, and yet they're more or less done in the same 2D style (gameplay wise anyway,) as the Classic games, so you wouldn't think they'd suffer the same stigma. Are they just sort of bunched in with the 3D games, or are they more of a side thing that most people don't really give two shits about when it comes to these sorts of discussions?
edited 21st Mar '17 10:11:05 PM by kkhohoho
People generally think they're pretty ok to good, I think they just tend to forget they came out at around the same time.
edited 21st Mar '17 7:16:50 PM by BlackYakuzu94
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