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@Charles Phipps: This. And the characterization of Inferno Squad during their novel makes it worse-if they had not been called upon for Operation Cinder and survived a year, they almost certainly would have been selected to disappear and join the First Order. This seems like little more than an Excuse Plot, with Inferno Squad being fine with the Empire as is, and only objecting when they, personally, are called upon to murder millions of people with their own hands, instead of helping others to do the same.

edited 9th Dec '17 3:15:22 PM by ViperMagnum357

Their own people.

Pointless deaths to people they are charged with protecting, not enemies of the state.

They are soldiers. They'll happily destroy the Empire's enemies. However, they are instinctively protective of the Empire's people, which is usually the reason military folks join a military in the first place.

edited 9th Dec '17 3:18:15 PM by blkwhtrbbt

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

They shouldn't join the rebels then.

It should have been an enemy mine situation not a complete switching sides.

I face-palmed when I heard that Iden is close friends with Leia.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

An alliance maybe or signed on as Mercs in promises that they arn't charged but yeah joining the instant they leave no.. No way Iden should have been allowed anywhere close to Leia at least so soon.

you know what I mean, no need for the sarcasm.

Hm? It was six months before Iden was "friends" with Leia. Not close friends, even, just "friendly". At least, according to the radio chatter.

That might be it, actually. For Iden and her handsome boy toy, it was six months of fighting against a common enemy. For us the player, it was the very next mission.

I always felt like the Galactic civil war was presented as being too binary. I really enjoyed seeing Rogue One present the Rebel alliance as exactly that: an alliance of people who may or may not actually even like each other who happen to all have a common goal: the defeat of the Empire. I bet a large number of RA folks didn't even want the re-establishment of a Republic. How many were simply anarchists, or pirates who joined up for the pay?

edited 9th Dec '17 4:02:11 PM by blkwhtrbbt

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

Quite a few, in Legends. They included some Separatist leftovers, a few isolationist movements, and were handing out letters of marque to pirates and scavengers like they were going out of style.

edited 9th Dec '17 4:15:02 PM by ViperMagnum357

The problem with that argument is Alderaan was an Imperial planet and if you accept that the actions of Leia and Bail Organa justify the death of all their people then is it such a stretch that Vardos deserves to die because Palpatine demands it?

It seems like the "Alderaan was a traitor and thus deserved it" is the kind of halfassed justification which would apply to Vardos as well.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

Not to mention some bona fida terrorist groups.

Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.

Saw and the Paristans are apparently meant to represent, "Actual terrorist rebels."

The problem with that is Saw is pretty much completely right the Empire is something that there can be no accomadation or peaceful settlement with as they're planning indiscriminate destruction of planets.

Sort of an Accidental Aesop or Broken Aesop there.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

Saw frequently attacks civilian centers because he knows enemies will be there.

He isn't a terrorist for his martial stance against the Empire, which the Rebels themselves later adopt, he's a terrorist because he doesn't care about collateral damage.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

This. In Rebel Rising, we get a first hand look at his tactics: showing up at a formal event on an imperial world to kill the governor, and killing her by shooting through a crowd of random people with razor flechette explosive launchers-exactly as horrifying as it sounds, and specifically chosen to maximize the impact on a highly publicized event.

edited 9th Dec '17 6:26:12 PM by ViperMagnum357

His sister would be ashamed of him.

Now that is interesting shit right there.

Indeed she would be.

edited 9th Dec '17 6:29:34 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

He also killed Moff Panaka despite the fact the Organas were going to recruit him to the Rebellion.

edited 9th Dec '17 7:33:42 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

So that's what happened to Panaka, huh? Shame.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Unfortunately yes. And the reason Bail is so pissed about that was Panaka was literally the only member of Palpatine's inner circle with anything resembling a conscience, so his recruitment would have been a major victory. Also the fact that Saw's agent followed his example, killing Panaka with a bomb that nearly killed Leia and and the Queen of Naboo. Saw was very unpopular with the Rebellion before they formally cut ties.

edited 9th Dec '17 8:42:57 PM by ViperMagnum357

Mind you, it's not unquestionably the Organas being right as Panaka was very possibly about to blow Leia's heritage to Palpatine and thus end the galaxy's last hope for freedom. Claudia Gray intentionally wrote it ambiguous.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

I liked the ambiguity-especially since he seemed to be a Card-Carrying Villain in Legends.

edited 9th Dec '17 8:42:21 PM by ViperMagnum357

Yeah, in Legends he was doing what he thought was best for Naboo, especially given the rather scathing critique he gave of Padme. In his mind, the Empire kept Naboo from being threatened again, something that Amidala could never do.

Heh heh heh, if only he knew about Operation Cinder...

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

Yeah, all the Rebellion had to do was wait and he would have come over himself. Thanks for nothing, Saw.

Eh, Leia would be dead and so would the organas probably if he was the type of guy to turn them over.

We'll never know if he was going to talk to the Organas or Palpatine next once he figured out Leia was Padme's child.

And Cinder didn't happen until after Palpatine was dead.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

If he hadn't turned Leia in, though, you can bet your bottom dollar credit he'd have jumped ship the moment Palps blew up a populated, peaceful planet.

edited 10th Dec '17 3:55:17 PM by Cganale

Very true.

He might have been able to warn them about the Death Star earlier.

It's a fascinating "What if."

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

So in the absence of Garm Bel Iblis, is Saw in his place? The more brutal and pragmatic Rebel commander who threw a temper tantrum and quit because the Alliance distanced themselves from him and his bloodier methods?