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Cojuanco Since: Oct, 2009
#151: Feb 21st 2011 at 10:15:58 PM

You have to realize that there are two kinds of prolifers. One kind is prolife because they think it's the right thing to do (usually having to do with religion). The other kind are those who are prolife because it means they can dragoon the first kind to support their own agenda, often having to do with filling their pockets. The problem in this state is that the latter category wins political power more than the first, because the latter tends to be richer and more dedicated.

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#152: Feb 21st 2011 at 10:19:23 PM

The problem in this state is that the latter category wins political power more than the first, because the latter tends to be richer and more dedicated.

being rich and dedicated is what changes the world, or didn't you know?

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Ratix from Someplace, Maryland Since: Sep, 2010
#154: Feb 22nd 2011 at 3:41:33 AM

Unfortunately, there are people who argue that these things encourage people to be promiscuous, and thus are bad.
And this is, I think, the greatest failing of social governing. Promiscuity is risky behavior, but not a violation of anyone's rights, and thus is not something the government should be taking a stand on. You wanna discourage risky behavior? Teach your kids not to do it. Other parents may be just as adamant about extreme sports, but it would be silly to ban them unless there was a danger to the public.

Seriously, was there a debate back in the day that adding federal law requiring seat belts in cars would encourage people to drive dangerously? My knowledge of US law is fuzzy on that, but it wouldn't surprise me.

edited 22nd Feb '11 3:41:54 AM by Ratix

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#155: Feb 22nd 2011 at 9:45:41 AM

"Promiscuity is risky behavior, but not a violation of anyone's rights, and thus is not something the government should be taking a stand on." - Ratix

Also, if their goal was to deter promiscuity, even having laws that were designed to combat promiscuity DIRECTLY would be a better approach than trying to do away with things that help alleviate the negative side-effects of promiscuity. Of all the reasons for being anti-abortion, anti-contraception, etc... "discouraging promiscuity" has to be among the worst. It's based on the idea that the risks would stop people from having sex (they don't) and implies that if unwanted children and STD spreading has to result so be it. o.o

Ratix from Someplace, Maryland Since: Sep, 2010
#156: Feb 23rd 2011 at 4:17:43 AM

[up] Come to think of it, you wonder why they don't simultaneously try to push increased funding for adoption organizations, because it always seems like adoption is toted as the big solution to unwanted pregnancies. I'm sure no one who's ever been involved in adoptions would say it's so straightforward, but since when did politicians worry about the details of the lives their decisions wrought before? And obviously, if federal funding enables abortions so well, clearly sending that money to adoption clinics will make it like Babies-R-Us!

Cojuanco Since: Oct, 2009
#157: Feb 24th 2011 at 2:20:55 PM

You know, talking to the other side of the struggle, I just realized something. You know why compromise seems impossible? It's because both sides of the issue not only believe that what they're doing what's right, but that victory is certain anyway (because God/history/demographics/the Great Pumpkin is on their side), and what's the use negotiating with someone you'll defeat anyway?

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#158: Feb 25th 2011 at 7:49:11 AM

"It's because both sides of the issue not only believe that what they're doing what's right, but that victory is certain anyway" - Cojuanco

I don't think both sides believe that. Well, probably not the vast majority of supporters of legal abortion, anyway.

Cojuanco Since: Oct, 2009
#159: Feb 26th 2011 at 11:26:54 AM

[up]I've heard it enough times that it may be the case. They alsways seem to say "Well, we're going to win anyway, and you're just being a bitter guy who clings to religion."

Of course, a lot of these people aren't American, so perhaps I ought to take it with a grain of salt.

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