X-Men First Class

Isn't Ho Yay always subtext, and as such will always be subjective even if it is as blatant as anything but never outright stated within the medium (regardless of exterior material which makes it intentional or not)? And much as it may sound unbelievable, people can be completely oblivious to something even when it is right in front of them, they aren't all deliberately blanking it out.

You see I only joined this conversation when people people started throwing comments like "willfully blind around". I'm not saying that you can't react that way, as I said I myself thought that one scene came off fairly romantic.

The point is that two of us saw the film and had the reaction that Xavier and Magneto were two close friends who fell out, but didn't really have any romantic attraction toward each other. And you seem to be saying that we can't react that way.

I don't paticularly care if the ho yay is on the main or ymmv page or not, I don't really see the need for the latter anyway. But ho yay is obviously in this case subjective.

Also I admitted I couldn't use the opinions of other people as an argument, I was just saying that the consensus of this thread isn't a valid argument either. And tge analogy thing wasn't really an argument, it's just that if you're going to criticise somone else's analogy at least get yours right.

"Willfully blind" is an overstatement. I wouldn't go so far as to say that; what's patently obvious to one person may not be apparent at all to another. But the latter person will have to defend "it's not there" vs "it's there, you just didn't see it."

I never said that it isn't there,It just bugs me It just annoys me how everything is given a sexual interpretation these days, and if someone doesn't see how it could get that interpretation, they are considered wrong.

Pretty much agree with this.

I do in general agree with the idea that people who think something isn't there should be the ones to prove it. But in this case we are seeing something different in the place of what you see, you're seeing a romantic relationship while we are seeing a very close friendship.

The fact is I see Xavier and Magneto as a pretty acurate portrayal of a strong friendship because it reflects a lot like the close friendships I have in RL. It isn't really like any romantic relationships I've had, or that I've ever seen. I've told friends that I believe I them, had fights with them, laid on bed's fully clothed with them and had fights with some of them. I've even fallen out with one over idealogy.

Edit: To futher go into my first point, if somone thinks something in a film/book/whatever symbolises something, and someone else thinks it's meaningless then I'd tend to agree with the first person. But if one person thinks it's symbolic of, say, the protaganist being redeemed at the end, while someone else thinks it means the character is doomed to hell, it gets more complicated. And this like tge latter case.

edited 11th Nov '11 10:49:19 AM by C0mraid

They should make an X-Men movie about an adventure taking place while being on holiday.

They could call it: "X-Men: No Class"

Interesting...

The article brings up that this would be an extremely intriguing way to deal with the continuity issues of the film series.

Also, there's this:

From here. And to fulfill the rule of three, there's this, which does at least confirm something: that the movie is in production and scheduled for a 2014 release.

edited 7th Jun '12 2:32:19 AM by KnownUnknown

Count me excited.

That movie is gonna be a bitch to write. I hope whoever's on board can fill all the possible holes in that mess.

One new character, a nemesis for Magneto... Graydon Creed? He'd fit a "mutants are an outlawed species" story perfectly. Maybe Nimrod or Bastion?

edited 7th Jun '12 3:25:17 PM by Vox

I was thinking it's probable we'd be getting Sentinels, so Bastion seems very possible.

Um, they managed to write a script about the Cuban Missile Crisis, the origin of two famous groups of mutants, introduce a little-known villain villain, and still the movie was hot.

I think they can handle this.

"It just annoys me how everything is given a sexual interpretation these days, and if someone doesn't see how it could get that interpretation, they are considered wrong."

Dear God, I second this. This is the root of the problem with shipping IMHO.

Yeah, one of the problems with shipping is the idea that any meaningful contact between two characters is considered grounds for sexual tension. It kind of makes things annoying.

I blame it as being a result of us currently living in a sex-crazed society. Or at least, hollywood trying to portray the world as being fully of sex-crazed societies.

If people believe strongly enough that something's supposed to be true, then they'll subconsciously make it true even if it's not supposed to be. Forget what it's called, but what you said could be case in point.

@Starship: First Class's plot isn't exactly jam-packed or complex. The movie in itself is an origin story for the X-Men, with the Hellfire Club being the main villains whose evil plan is starting the Missle Crisis. The Brotherhood is only established at the very end, with their origin being based off the events and outcome of the final battle.