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Besserwisser from Planet of Hats Since: Dec, 2009
#201: Dec 6th 2013 at 12:09:28 PM

When your goal is to increase birth rates, one woman marrying several men isn't really an inefficient way of going about it. That means effectively you have several men in a relationship who could be having children with other women otherwise. Now, having the few men who can support a whole family marry multiple women, that would actually increase birthrate potential. Though I would still prefer it if people could just make the choices they want to make, rather than imposing annother social construct on them. But that would require higher wages and better workplace flexibility, which won't come that easily.

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#202: Dec 6th 2013 at 12:30:23 PM

Or couples could start looking into perhaps moving in together. Southern Californians can kind of give some insight to this one. At the age where most people do things like marry and have children, you usually just about have to have a roomate to live independently. I think one good strategy is to perhaps encourage couples splitting the rent. I may end up doing this with my girlfriend and I and a couple we are both friends with, instead of a 2 bedroom apartment, the 4 of us may just rent a large house together.

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#204: Dec 6th 2013 at 2:36:42 PM

@ shima: And remember most of the those National Parks are in mountainous areas — as are most parts of Japan off the coastal plains.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#205: Dec 6th 2013 at 2:38:58 PM

Yep, which doesn't exactly make them great places to live. Just because no one lives there doesn't mean that people can move there.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#206: Dec 6th 2013 at 2:46:56 PM

EDIT: Nevermind, misread Barkey's post.

edited 6th Dec '13 2:47:40 PM by Ramidel

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#207: Dec 6th 2013 at 3:07:03 PM

^Barkey was just talking about how house sharing, not entering a polyamorous relationship if i'm reading correctly.

edited 6th Dec '13 3:07:31 PM by joeyjojo

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SKJAM Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#208: Dec 6th 2013 at 4:55:39 PM

House sharing used to be the norm in Japan, although it was multi-generational families rather than unrelated ones. New bride moves in with her husband's family, marrying young so the in-laws are still in prime earning years. (Sometimes husband moving in with wife's family if appropriate.)

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#209: Dec 6th 2013 at 5:52:15 PM

Hm. Is there enough space in Tokyo that enough space for trigenerational housing would be affordable?

I mean, Japanese singles can literally live in fiberglass boxes, but that's not a family accommodation.

Philippeo Since: Oct, 2010
#210: Dec 6th 2013 at 8:37:24 PM

A lot of the low population areas there are national parks, or the equivalent. If they move to spread everyone out, they would devastate the ecology of the country.

There are a lot of small city that decline in Japan. its not like every place outside of Tokyo and Osaka is national park.

http://www.economist.com/node/17909982

Since the 1960s a brain drain has sucked people towards Osaka and Tokyo. Young people who left to find jobs elsewhere never came back. Even now, seven in ten college students leave to study, and over half of young people find jobs elsewhere.

The brain drain reinforces a demographic trend. The prefecture's working-age population has shrunk from over 1m in 1990 to 874,000 in 2008, a result both of the exodus and a declining birth rate.

The prefecture of 1.45m is shrinking and ageing so fast that one of Nagasaki's main department stores, Tamaya, has closed down its children's department and stocked up on undergarments and hearing aids. With shrinking investment, and fewer jobs and young families, new house-building has fallen by half in the past ten years.

And Nagasaki was quite big cities. smaller cities/town decline even harder. Many rural village and small cities in Japan have declining population, while suburb of big cities is growing. Its not that different from US. people abandon rural farming to suburban living. and college graduates abandon small cities to bigger cities.

edited 6th Dec '13 8:38:07 PM by Philippeo

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#211: Dec 7th 2013 at 12:25:30 AM

[up][up] Not really. Mind you, house ownership is different in Japan — families own a plot, on where a house is periodically rebuilt, and Mortgages can last more than one generation.

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