Puella Magi Madoka Magica

I do have to wonder if they'll be able to top the Matrix-style gun fight from Rebellion.

Seriously, that was one of the all-time greatest action scenes I've seen in any movie, let alone anime.

Yeah I'm sure Ultimate Madoka vs. Devil Homura will blow it out of the water

there's this fan theory on reddit that says Nagisa (and potentially Kyoko) will side with Homura in Walpurgisnacht Rising (link: https://www.reddit.com/r/MadokaMagica/comments/16gyzvq/theory_nagisa_taking_homuras_side/) Personally I doubt they'd side with Homura. What do y'all think?

In other Madoka news, Magia Record announced thst they'd be doing a collab event with Lycoris Recoil at some point in the future.

So Takina and Chisato as magical girls? I wonder how well they'll fare in duels with Mami or Homura

I don't think things are going to be as simple as "Ultimate battle between Homura and Madoka over the state of reality" in the first place. Nothing about Walpurgisnacht Rising has suggested that this is a Civil War "CHOOSE YOUR SIDE" type of event, and the title strongly implies that Walpurgisnacht itself will be the main focus of the conflict.

(Personally, I have a sneaking suspicion that the reason they carved "Eleventy Billion Magical Girls all fight Walpurgisnacht and IT'S STILL NOT FUCKING ENOUGH" out of the Magia Record anime was because they want to do it here. That game-exclusive scene put a lot of vital context into Homura's many hopeless attempts to solo the impossible.)

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 14th 2023 at 8:54:41 AM

Even before Magia Record "the problem is Homura is fighting alone" was kinda consistently suggested across spinoffs with Mami and Kyoko thinking thinking could take Walpurgisnacht, Oriko and Kirika thinking they could take Walpurgisnacht, three girls from Kazumi defeating a Witch Kyubey momentarily mistook for Walpurgisnacht.

Also, the Tokime Clan taking out their own Walpurgisnacht with a weapon every magical girl they produced put magic into over the years.

Iirc Holy Mami Anime version's MGS or another anime unit in Magireco implyied only Madoka died fighting Walpurgisnacht in the anime, everyone else lived.

In fact, Magi Reco kinda went even further with that in the Puella Historia arc when each faction was time traveling to fix a mess. In the sixth Puella Historia, Pax Romana's Sweetheart, has the era's Magical Girl a time traveler, Amaryllis, who wished to go back and save Pompeii from Mt Vesuvius killing everyone. When NM show up they basically just immediately ask to work together, helping her plan to convince people to be ready to evacuate the city. Coincidently she has a similar color scheme to Homura.

Edited by doineedaname on Sep 14th 2023 at 2:28:22 PM

Magia Record made the opposite statement, is the thing. You don't really comprehend just how impossible the scope of what Homura was trying to accomplish really is until you see an entire army of Magical Girls all trying to bring down Walpurgisnacht and it's still not enough.

A literal army of Magical Girls can't do it. Homura never had a snowball's chance in Hell. In Magireco, they only defeat Walpurgisnacht because Madokami puts her hand on the scale. Because, for some reason, she coexists with the regular Madoka that's present in the game despite being early enough in Homura's cycle-looping that Homs hasn't taken on her Cool Homura persona yet.

In the game's Magireco, Walpurgisnacht is taken down only by the grace of Madokami's feathers fluttering in and instantly healing every single Magical Girl in the middle of the battle. Madokami refreshes the whole army, changing the tide moments before what would otherwise have been the equivalent of an MMO raid TPK for the dozens upon dozens of Magical Girls arrayed against Walpurgisnacht.

They left this out of the anime's conclusion, and given the title of the new film, I'm wondering if they're planning to bring it back here.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 14th 2023 at 11:39:05 AM

The only thing she did was heal them, because beating a peer to Walpurgisnachtleft them too exhausted to beat a second Witch that opowerful. She didn't make them stronger or Walpurgisnacht weaker, if they hadn't had to fight Embryo Eve they'd have had no problem defeating Walpurgisnacht.

Edit: The PSP game even has Mami, Kyoko, Sayaka, and Homura, just the four of them, able to defeat Walpy in one ending.

Edited by doineedaname on Sep 14th 2023 at 9:18:19 AM

Yeah, Magia Record's depiction of Wally doesn't really mesh with the original anime's. In some of the loops, the Mitakihara crew is able to defeat Wally, Madoka just dies or witches out in the process so Homura resets the loop. And the Mitakihara crew is also there in Magia Record (among dozens of others), so the two versions aren't really reconcilable. For whatever reason, the version of Walpurgis that attacks Kamihama is exponentially stronger than the one that attacks Mitakihara.

I prefer to think that the Magia Record magical girls are all just really really mid.

The thing is they hail from pretty much all of Japan and at least a few from elsewhere in the world, that your statement might be true would mean that the Mitakihara girls were already above average (even before Homura's loops)

Which makes some sense granted, givne that A. most of them went to Kamiahara looking for an out and B, being a meguka is like ebign a wild animal in that it basically runs on survivial of the fittest, so the fact that Mami and Kyoko would be able to last more than a year or two would already be telling of their strength.

Either that or Brazillian night's power actually scales to the amount of meguka nearby.

Well, they also did it with canonically not a single bystander dying to Walpy or her Familiars.

Mami's kinda expressly a freak of nature power and skill wise.

And as far as power goes, all throughout arc 2 you have the Kimochi, an eight the power of Eve / Walpy consistently going down to as few as three girls without anyone dying. With as few as two who aren't Frontline fighters putting up a good fight before dipping. It was basically entirely the boss rush nature of the ending of arc 1 making it hard for them.

Edited by doineedaname on Sep 15th 2023 at 8:17:10 AM

Whether Walpurgis can be beaten without Madoka is very back and forth depending on who's writing the story that day. Oriko Magica Sadness Prayer implies that a team of Kyoko, Mami, Yuma, and Koito would succeed at destroying Walpurgis Night, though it's deliberately vague about whether the girls would die in the attempt. So Madoka herself isn't needed to win and neither is Homura. I think in the PSP game there's also timelines where everyone lives and Walpurgis is beaten.

It's even a joke/headcanon in the fandom that Homura only fails because Walpurgis is immune to conventional weaponry and needs magical weapons to be killed.

Magia Record's girls are either relatively weak (I think apart from one-woman army Yachiyo this is probably the case), that timeline's Walpurgis Night was uncommonly powerful, or fighting Embryo Eve weakened them so much that they had the flu against Walpurgis.

For the new movie, I hope that Mami remains a powerhouse as she was implied to become in the initial Concept Movie trailer.

Also, from a few pages back, a clarification: The timeline we see in the original Madoka Magica isn't the fifth timeline loop. It's the hundreth timeline loop as per Word of God.

Edited by PhiSat on Sep 15th 2023 at 5:21:52 AM

I imagine that the an explanation that could be used is that Magireco's Walpurgisnacht had been empowered as a consequence of the shenanigans of Rebellion, hence why Madokami was able to interfere in that timeline in the first place.

Madokami can affect anywhere in space and time, it's part of her wish. What's unique about Magia Record's timeline is that she can't affect it the same way she can anything else — not because she's unable to, but because the Magia Record timeline is "fragile", so a full intervention by Madokami would destroy it.

Like the depiction of Walpurgis, this doesn't really mesh with the original anime, where time travel doesn't appear to spawn alternate timelines at all. The easiest way to square that circle is to say that the events of Magia Record aren't really an independently-existing timeline per se, but rather a set of potential circumstances that Madokami can observe because of her weird godly time powers. Which doesn't exactly fit with how it's depicted in Magia Record, but that's probably as close as we're going to get.

Really though, the thing that's unique about Magia Record is that, because Madokami can't/won't intervene there, it's the only place that a version of Madoka that isn't Madokami still exists.

To be fair to Magia Record there, a few of the spinoff manga go into the "Homura is hopping timelines" theory, including Wraith Arc which is meant to be canon to the main series. So I guess that's how her power works, by replacing herself in other timelines a month before she left.

Edited by PhiSat on Sep 15th 2023 at 12:19:39 PM

What? Alternate timelines were a thing even in the OG anime. Kyubey explicitly talks about them, and it’s seen with Oktavia being focused on guitar instead of violin in ep 10.

I will be frank with you, is the glass that is broken by the hand one that has been invoked by Madoka during the transformation or is it the lens of the camera or screen? I think it is the first since it is normal that in these transformation sequences There are shapes and objects that they themselv

So Recently Precure now has an adult series spinoff known as Otona Precure: Power of Hope, and although the precure turn back into their teens to fight, There's a certain aspect to Nozomi in her Cure state that caught people off guard yesterday, and that she had angry red eyes and was notably more brutal in her fisticuffs.

Well, her animator from that episode, Yuu Yoshiyama, made a fanart of Red eyed Cure Dream, and it looks like it came straight out of Madoka:

What makes it jarring is that Precure is generally for preschoolers, so its kinda nutty to see a character aimed at that demographic now having official art from her animator with her covered in Monster blood ala Insane Sayaka.

Oh, and I forgot to mention.

A while ago, during my extensive anime binge I FINALLY finished the anime. There are many good things I have to say, but at the time being I'm just gonna say:

The anime really deserved all the acclaim and success, and it's no wonder why this had such a lasting impact to these days.

It's a real shame that I avoided this anime back when it was airing just because of my younger self's tendency to avoid anything with massive hype. XP

Oh, and it's also shame that the majority of PMMM's imitators forget what made it so shocking yet great, and only replicate the edgeness.

Late reply, but is is pretty much the 2010s equivalent of Evangelion in that regard.

Right down to extremely late fourth film entries.

It makes you wonder if the director is an otaku who has a weird love/hate relationship with otaku?

I think Yuki Kajiura's music could blend in within Hollow Knight.

I imagine "Surgam identidem" playing when the Radiance shows up, "I miss you" playing over the ruins of Hallownest, and "she is a witch" playing when the Hollow Knight succumbs to the Infection.

New memorias from Magia Record with some of the girls' witch forms

Renata the ECG Witch◊
Shalimar the Serpent Berry Witch◊
Cyan the Smog Witch◊
Vayu the Wind Deva Witch◊
Don Rocinante the Gorget Witch◊
Aodamo the Megaphone Witch◊\\